Find Ancestors

I'm looking for my great grandparents, John Draper B 1861 Hester B1871 both from Bucks, I found them on the 1911 census with my grandmother and G Uncles, but cannot find any other records of them, as on my grandmothers birth cert it says her maiden name was Parker??

Is this the 1911 Census???

1911 Census

Name: John Draper
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ashton Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Dunstable
Search Photos: Search for 'Dunstable' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Radwells Yard, High Street South, Dunstable, Beds
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1890
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration district: Dunstable
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 310
Piece: 8986

John Draper 50
Hester Draper 40 b.ca 1871, Stewkley, Buckinghamshire
Nelson Draper 16 b.ca 1895, St Albans, Hertfordshire
Abraham Draper 18 b.ca 1893, Green Street, Kent,
John Draper 9 b.ca 1902, Maidenhead, Berkshire,
Eliza Draper 3 b.ca 1908, Farringham, Kent

From the image ............

John says he has been married 21 years, had 8 children, 5 still alive, 3 died


However, the information is supposed to be given for the wife, so this needs checking.


EDITED:- to correct John jr. birth year from 1892 to 1902

I suspect there has been a change of name, for some reason!!

Is this your grandmother's birth certificate???


Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
PARKER Eliza Dartford 2a 690

PARKER, ELIZA PARKER Order
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 690

From the new GRO Index

Eliza is registered with mother's maiden name of Parker


PARKER, ELIZA PARKER
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 690


This means 1 of 2 things .........

1) she is illegitimate

2) John Draper's surname was also Parker!

???????

the wrong county!

No mother's name

PARKER, ABRAHAM PARKER -
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 04A Page 815

????

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
Smith Nelson St. Alban's 3a 622

SMITH, NELSON DRAPER Order
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in ST. ALBANS Volume 03A Page 622

safc .....

you may have found soemthing!!


England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980

Name: Nelson Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 7 Mar 1895
Christening Place: Radlett, Hertfordshire, England
Father: John Smith
Mother: Esther Smith
Search Photos: Search for 'Radlett' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection


Esther/Hester?????????????????/

????

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Cornfield William Dudley 6c 72
Draper Esther Dudley 6c 72
Skidmore Margaret Dudley 6c 72
Smith John Dudley 6c 72


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH John DRAPER Esther Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/008/79

I still can't find any of them in 1901!!

????


Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription

Learn more
Print transcription
First name(s) Abraham
Last name Parker
Birth year 1895
Baptism year 1895
Baptism date 29 Mar 1895
Parish Thurston, St Peter
Place Thurston
Father's first name(s) Linny
Mothers first name(s) Lamartina
Father's occupation Traveller
Residence Toddington, Bdf
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

I think Abraham's age on the 1911 should be 13- the children seem to be in age order and he's still at school.

PARKER, ABRAHAM (Mother's maiden name: SMITH )
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in FAVERSHAM Volume 02A Page 902

SMITH, JOHN (Mother's maiden name: PARKER)
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MAIDENHEAD Volume 02C Page 403

Ok, this might confuse things even more, but I have a feeling it's connected:

In an article Luton News and Bedfordshire Chronicle - Thursday 13 December 1917, a strapping man, Abraham Draper aged 18 was charged at Dunstable petty sessions with game trespass. The clerk asked defendant if Draper was his real name and Abraham confirmed, but Superintendent Panter thought his real name was Luke Parker.

Bear in mind our Abraham was born in 1897 and living in Dunstable in 1911- so the age in the article isn't massively out.

Abraham's death:
First name(s) ABRAHAM
Last name DRAPER
Gender Male
Birth year 1896
Age 43
Death quarter 2
Death year 1939
District Dartford
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 971

Nelson's death:
Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-1919
First name(s) Nelson
Last name Draper
Service number 177810
Rank Gunner
Regiment Royal Horse Artillery And Royal Field Artillery
Birth place St. Albans, Herts
Enlistment place Woolwich, S.E.
Death year 1918
Death day 24
Death month 8
Cause of death Died of wounds
Death place France & Flanders

Nelson coming up on below, as Nello...(Mother, Esther)

UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 (Ancestry)

Chris :)

https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3861225

(Cemetery: Corbie Communal Cemetery Extension
Country: France)

Name: John Parker
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther Parker
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Clinton
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Clinton
Town: Aston Clinton
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1146
Folio: 52
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parker 31
Esther Parker 26
Lyle Parker 4
Oliver Parker 2
William Parker 1

Thank you for all your help, on my grandmothers birth cert it does say Eliza Parker, but when she got married she was Elizabeth Draper, I havent got her birth cert, to know what her mothers name was.

Name: Lisle M Parker
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Servant Domestic
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reading, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Clinton
Search Photos: Search for 'Aston Clinton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Clinton
Town: Aston Clinton
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1356
Folio: 18
Page Number: 28
Household schedule number: 206
Household Members:
Name Age
William D Stevenson 40
Ada B Stevenson 29
Sybil J Stevenson 6
William H Stevenson 5
Julia Trewartha 30
Lisle M Parker 15********************************

So whats the ref for your grandmothers birth please?