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Bruce

Bruce Report 17 Mar 2017 20:26

Thank you for all your efforts. I have applied for the marriage certificate to confirm the marriage for Tom and Daisy Gertrude Darlow.
The records on Freereg for the baptisms of the children give three different addresses in Grimsby, which I will pursue in the electoral rolls in the Grimsby Library.

The death of Tom seems to be the difficult date to find.

Once again many thanks for your efforts, it is much appreciated.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2017 14:27

Probate record for a Tom Johnson - I don't see the death of a Tom Johnson anywhere in the first quarter of 1975:

Johnson, Tom, of Ashleigh, South St, North Kelsey, Lincs died 9 March 1975.
Probate Nottingham 21 May [1975] £4430 752520412D

There are a few deaths of Thomas Johnsons in that quarter - including one in Caistor, Lincs, and one in Mansfield, Notts.
Could someone be named Tom on probate even if actually Thomas??

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2017 14:03

Maybe the informant got the year wrong ??

Tom Johnson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Tom Johnson
Birth Date: 7 May 1897
Date of Registration: Mar 1972
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1885


EDIT:

On the other hand, that could be the death of this Tom:

Tom Johnson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Tom Johnson
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Sedgefield
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 109

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2017 13:47

Edna's first marriage:

Marriages Jun 1940 (>99%)
Hyde Frederick J Johnson Luton 3b 1559
Johnson Edna Hyde Luton 3b 1559

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2017 13:43

Marriages Mar 1948 (>99%)
Hyde Edna Koutsoudes Pancras 5d 1078
Johnson Edna Koutsoudes Pancras 5d 1078
Koutsoudes Michael Hyde Pancras 5d 1078
Koutsoudes Michael Johnson Pancras 5d 1078


Edna Koutsoudes
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edna Koutsoudes
Birth Date: 9 Dec 1920
Date of Registration: Aug 2000
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Penrith
Inferred County: Cumberland
Register Number: 27E
District and Subdistrict: 3802
Entry Number: 237


Michael Alexander Koutsoudes
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Michael Alexander Koutsoudes
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1917
Date of Registration: Oct 1990
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Penrith
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 1
Page: 549

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2017 13:40

So Daisy and Tom had split, or Tom had died, between 1929 (conception of last Johnson / Darlow birth in Grimsby), and 1939.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 17 Mar 2017 13:34

Sehiwek (Florenzano,Johnson) Household 6 Hazelbury Cres , Luton M.B., Bedfordshire, England

Daisy I Sehiwek (Florenzano,Johnson) 22 Jun 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Married
Edna Koutsoudes 09 Dec 1920 Female Drapers Shop Assistant Single
Closed record
George C P Johnson 16 Feb 19?? Male At School Single
Closed record

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Mar 2017 13:26

An address on that Record, 13 Watkin Street, Grimsby. (Discharge or becoming Non Efffective Column. Date 24/7/30)

Edna Johnson Born 22/9/1920

(other 2 children, Baptisms on below)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

(apologies if above already added, can't read through, vets to go to with cat!)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Mar 2017 13:15

Well done Dea! I just had a gut feeling about that one last night but couldn't view the actual image on FMP.

Still not seeing a possible death for Tom in Lincolnshire.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Mar 2017 12:34

Print transcription
First name(s) DAISY GERTRUDE
Last name SCHIWEK
Gender Female
Birth day 22
Birth month 6
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1991
District Basford
Register number 1091
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 8
Page 53
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Mar 2017 12:33


First name(s) HANS STEPHAN
Last name SCHIWEK
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 7
Birth year 1921
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1986
District Bourne
Register number 586
County Lincolnshire
Volume 7
Page 1358
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Mar 2017 12:28

A definite liking for wedding cake!

Marriages Jun 1954
Darlow Daisy G Schiwek Spalding 3b 157
Fiorenzano Daisy G Schiwek Spalding 3b 157
Schiwek Hans S Darlow Spalding 3b 157
Schiwek Hans S Fiorenzano Spalding 3b 157

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Mar 2017 12:24

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Grimsby
Church name St James
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 657
Baptism date 19 May 1892
Birth date 07 May 1892
Person forename Tom
Person sex M
Person abode 182 Ayscough Street, Grimsby
Father forename Thomas Leeson
Father surname JOHNSON
Father occupation Joiner
Mother forename Mary Ann
Register note Private Baptism by A N Claye

(also on below)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 17 Mar 2017 12:21

Looks like Either Tom and Daisy divorced or he was deceased by 1947?

Sep 1947 (>99%)
Darlow Daisy G Fiorenzano Spalding 3b 165
Fiorenzano Biagis Johnson Spalding 3b 165
Fiorenzano Biagis Darlow Spalding 3b 165
Johnson Daisy G Fiorenzano Spalding 3b 165

Dea

Dea Report 17 Mar 2017 12:20

Going back to those army records which Rootgatherer posted on page 1 :


Tom
Last name Johnson
Age 29
Birth year 1892
Birth place Grimsby
Attestation year 1921
Service number 742434

This was the one who married Daisy Darlow which I mentioned.

I have just noticed that on his records his occupation was 'Joiner' - On 1911 census his father was a joiner and he was a joiner's apprentice, so it is looking good that Daisy might be the correct one?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
182 Ayscough Street Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Leeson Johnson Head Married Male Joiner 40 1871 Lincs Stamford
Transcription
Mary Hannah Johnson Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Tom Johnson Son Single Male Joiners Aprentice 18 1893 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Mary Emma Johnson Daughter Single Female Day Girl Domestic 17 1894 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Sarah Johnson Daughter Single Female Day Girl Domestic 16 1895 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Phyllis Johnson Daughter - Female - 14 1897 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
George Johnson Son - Male - 13 1898 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Stanley Johnson Son - Male - 11 1900 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
James Francis Johnson Son - Male - 9 1902 Lincs Grimsby
Transcription
Leslie Stainsby Johnson Son - Male - 2 1909 Lincs Grimsby

Dea x

Bruce

Bruce Report 16 Mar 2017 23:34

Having examined the photograph Tom has the insignia of a Battery quartermaster Sergeant on his arm, and therefore appears to be the second one listed by Argyllgran.


I must once again thank everyone who has contributed to this enquiry

Bruce

Bruce Report 16 Mar 2017 23:00

I do not have his service number, but the second of those above appear most likely.
I cannot explain why he should be baptised a third time. When I next in our local library I will check the parish records for St martin to see if there are any comments on the register.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Mar 2017 22:43

There's this Tom, who was in the RFA and awarded the Military Medal, but there's no image, and no other info on Ancestry:

Tom Johnson
in the UK, British Army Recipients of the Military Medal, 1914-1920
Name: Tom Johnson
Regimental Number: 735
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Rank: DVR
Medals: Military Medal, Mentioned in Despatches


EDIT:

and another one:

Tom Johnson
in the UK, British Army Recipients of the Military Medal, 1914-1920
Name: Tom Johnson
Regimental Number: 293
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Rank: BQMS
Medals: Military Medal

Bruce

Bruce Report 16 Mar 2017 22:42

St James is the parish church for Great Grimsby. St Pauls church was in Corporation Road Grimsby, and very close to Ayscough Street, where the parents were living and where the grandparents were living in Corporation Road. Of the siblings two were baptised at St James and all other sibligs were baptised at St Pauls.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Mar 2017 22:34

In this record he's baptised in a third church ????

Tom Johnson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Tom Johnson
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 May 1892
Baptism Place: St. Martin's, Great Grimsby, Lincoln, England
Father: Thomas Leeson Johnson
Mother: Mary Hannah
FHL Film Number: 1541953