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That's why I was trying to find young James's birth c1847, Middy.

GRO would show his mother's maiden surname, which would give us a clue re Jessie, assuming James was Robert's son.

Sorry Kathleen - I meant the birth was 1858 and yes they are the baptisms that I had found with parents being Robert and Jessie

Hi ArgyllGran

I have not done much with Robert so not found birth etc, I am still trying to sort out the Jessie link?

Thanks

Can't see young James's birth in Wingfield.
Nor him in later censuses.

Nor the death of a Jessie (or similar) Durrant 1846-51 in Suffolk or Kent.

I've looked through all the James births in Hartismere reg district around 1847, in case he was registered under his mother's surname, but I don't see any illegitimate births.

Hi

Yes that is him in 1861 - no wonder I could not find him as Durant spelt with only one R and Ottaway spelt Attaway

Robert is listed as a widower in 1851:


Robert Durrant
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Robert Durrant
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife's Brother (Brother-in-law)
Gender: Male
Where born: Wingfield, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Folkestone
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Folkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1633
Folio: 25
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Chadwick 26
Mary Chadwick 27
Henry Chadwick 2
John Durrant 70
Jane Durrant 64
Robert Durrant 34
James Durrant 4 "nephew" of Henry - so Robert's son ??

James born Wingfield, Suffolk

Is this Edward in 1861?

Edward Attoway Durant
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Edward Attoway Durant
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robert Durant
Mother's name: Olivea Durant
Gender: Male
Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Dover St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
Town: Dover
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Piece: 548
Folio: 43
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Durant 46
Olivea Durant 27
Jane Ann Durant 7
Thomas W Durant 5
Edward Attoway Durant 3


If so, this is his birth:

Edward Ottaway Durrant
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edward Ottaway Durrant
Registration Year: 1858
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Elham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 645


And christening of his daughter:

Edward Ottaway Durrant
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Edward Ottaway Durrant
Gender: Male
Spouse: Cecilia Jane
Child: Cecilia May Durrant


This version of the above christening gives him another middle name:

Edward O Henry Durrant
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Edward O Henry Durrant
Gender: Male
Spouse: Cecilia Jane Durrant
Child: Cecilia Mary Durrant

Where was Edward Durrant baptised? I can see a baptism for an Edward Durrant and two siblings on the same day with parents Robert and Jessie but the baptism is in 1864 and not 1858, or do you mean he was born in 1858?

According to the baptism Record the three children were Thomas William Durrant born 1855, Edward Ottaway Durrant born 1857 and Elizabeth Durrant born 1861.

Perhaps Robert and Jessie never actually married.

Is this Olivia's death:-

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) OLIVA
Last name DURRANT
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1835
Age 67
Death quarter 1
Death year 1902
District Elham
County Kent
Volume 2A
Page 868
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

Hi

Sorry to be a pain I need some more help or guidance

I am looking for a marriage between a Jessie and Robert Durrant - they are parents noted on the baptism record for Edward Durrant 1858

Robert married Olivia in 1853 and confirms he was a widower - just confused as cannot find anything regarding Jessie apart from being on the baptism record - it would appear that Olivia is the mum as she was married to Robert when he was born but she is not on the baptism???

Thank you :-)

Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry baptisms 1538-1912 Transcription
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First name(s) Alice Beatrice
Last name Whitehead
Birth year -
Baptism year 1885
Baptism date 27 Feb 1885
Place Hythe, St Leonard
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Celia
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference CCA/U3/282/1/B/3
Year range 1867-1900
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisms 1538-1912
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

on the baptism record it says single woman

You asked about Alice Beatrice's birth cert, Middy.

As her birth was registered under the surname Whitehead, it's unlikely that the father would be named.

This looks like the baptism for Mary Elizabeth Florence although her birth was registered as Durrant and this baptism seems to have been 3 days after Celia married Edward


Celia Jane Whitehead
mentioned in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Name Celia Jane Whitehead
gender Female
Daughter Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Other information in the record of Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
from England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Elizabeth Florence Whitehead
Residence Place Kent, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Nov 1885
Christening Date (Original) 18 Nov 1885
Christening Place Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name Celia Jane Whitehead



A possibility??

When Celia married Edward she was asked her father's name and just gave her step-father's christian name, the person recording the information then assumed the surname was Whitehead.

Hi

That's sound worth looking into - if I obtained a Birth Certificate would it confirm the fathers name do you think?

Thanks

Hi Middly,

Quote from your other thread:


I did receive the death certificate for Celia and the informant of her death was her daughter Beatrice A Durrant - but I can only really find her on the 1891 census, cannot find a birth?

Appears from the Census (if correct) she was born in 1884 approx and Celia (Cecilia) married Edward in 1885

Any help from anyone would be really appreciated




A possibility perhaps??????????? changing the names around and no mother's maiden name shown which could indicate that the child was illegitimate

WHITEHEAD, ALICE BEATRICE -
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1045


BAPTISM:


Alice Beatrice Whitehead
England Births and Christenings
Name Alice Beatrice Whitehead
Residence Place Kent, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 27 Feb 1885
Christening Date (Original) 27 Feb 1885
Christening Place Hythe, Kent, England
Mother's Name Celia Whitehead

Hi All

Sorry I am back - apologies

So - Birth Certificate

4th March 1866 - Celia Jane - Father: Thomas Whitehead Mother: Eliza Whitehead formerly (looks like) Maxted or Masted - Occupantion Agricultural Labourer

Marriage Certificate:

15 Nov 1885 - Edward Durrent (Batchelor) 27 to Celia Jane Whitehead (Spinster) 21 - both fathers are Labourers and her father is William Whitehead

Thanks

????????????

Mother born same place and time as Whitehead family

No birth for Celia Cloke that I can see.

Eliza Cloke

in the 1871 England Census


Name: Eliza Cloke
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Cloke
Gender: Female
Where born: Pluckley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard
Town: Hythe
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Elham
Sub-registration district: Hythe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 1020
Folio: 71
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cloke 49
Eliza Cloke 47
Celia Cloke 5

Andy

??

Eliza Maxted in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Maxted
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 16 May 1819
Baptism Place: Parish Church of Pluckley, Pluckley, Kent, England
Father: John Maxted
Mother: Elizabeth

same family 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Slade Street, St Leonard, Elham, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Eliza Whitehead Head Married Female 39 1822 Charwoman Peckham, Kent, England

James Whitehead Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Waiter... Kent, England

...Ton Whitehead Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Hythe, Kent, England

William Whitehead Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar


but no more children after 1851 which looks odd to have celia in 1866

Looks like that death was of a 4 year old

WHITEHEAD, THOMAS 4 Order
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 461

The family are elusive aren't they!

Middy - can you give ALL the details from the birth and marriage certificates please

SNAP, Shirley :-D :-D

Kath. x