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John and Sarah Lyons married 1895 approx.

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Paul

Paul Report 10 Nov 2017 09:47

Hi,
My grandfather Arthur Lyons was born April 1906 in Liverpool. His Parents John and Sarah are on 1911 census living in Liverpool. Sarah's maiden name is Cassallan from his birth certificate ? Unable to find details of marriage but know it was around 1895, not sure where they were married. Anyone any help ??? Many Thanks

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2017 09:52

Does the 1911 say how many years married

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2017 10:02

Says married 16 years but not seeing the birth reg for the other brothers with the same mmn

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Nov 2017 10:04

Is this the family in 1911 -

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 in 5 Court Prince Edwin Lane Everton Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Lyons Head Married Male Dock Labourer 34 1877 Liverpool Transcription
Sarah Lyons Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Liverpool
John Lyons Son - Male Hawker Empty Barge 15 1896 Liverpool
Robert Lyons Son - Male Street Trader And School 13 1898 Liverpool
William Lyons Son - Male School And Newsboy 11 1900 Liverpool
Arthur Lyons Son - Male - 4 1907 Liverpool
Sarah Lyons Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Liverpool

Married 16 years. 7 children born to marriage, 5 still living, 2 have died

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 10:07

It says 16 years married.

Name: John Lyons
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
Search Photos: Search for 'Everton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 3-5d Prince Edwin Lane
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 22535
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lyons 34
Sarah Lyons 35
John Lyons 15 Hawker
Robert Lyons 13 street trader and school
William Lyons 11 school and newsboy
Arthur Lyons 4
Sarah Lyons 2

LYONS, JOHN - Order
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 97

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2017 10:10

1911 census

Sarah Lyons
in the 1911 England Census

Name: Sarah Lyons
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
Search Photos: Search for 'Everton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 3-5d Prince Edwin Lane
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 22535
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lyons 34
Sarah Lyons 35
John Lyons 15
Robert Lyons 13
William Lyons 11
Arthur Lyons 4
Sarah Lyons 2

Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 22535

Here is Sarah
LYONS, SARAH CASSELLAN
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 107

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Nov 2017 10:11

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
LYONS, ARTHUR CASSELAN Order
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 109

LYONS, SARAH CASSELLAN Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 107

But not the earlier children

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 10:20

1901

Name: Robert Lyon
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: John Lyon
Mother: Sarah Lyon
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Titus
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3411
Folio: 43
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Molloy 64 wid Ship carpenter
John Lyon 23************Son in law
Sarah Lyon 24
John Lyon 6
Robert Lyon 4
William Lyon 1
Annie Casten 48************Boarder

Dea

Dea Report 10 Nov 2017 10:24

If this is them on 1901 then John is 'son-in-law' to Robert MOLLOY !:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, 3, Burlington Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Molloy Head Widower Male 64 1837 Ship Carpenter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
John Lyon Son-In-Law Married Male 23 1878 Dock Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Sarah Lyon Daughter Married Female 24 1877 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
John Lyon Son - Male 6 1895 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Robert Lyon Son - Male 4 1897 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
William Lyon Son - Male 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Annie Casten Boarder Widow Female 48 1853 Hawker Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Dea x

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Nov 2017 10:33

Robert Molloy 1891.
Is Anne Caslin the same person as Annie Casten on the 1901 posted by Dea?
Both names close (with accents) to Cassallan?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grosvenor Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Molloy Head Married Male 50 1841 Carpenter - b Liverpool
Jane Molloy Wife Married Female 46 1845 Hawker Ireland
Anne Caslin Sister In Law Widow Female 32 1859 Hawker - b Liverpool

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 10:38

1861

Name: Robt Molloy
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 2693
Folio: 102
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Unthank 32
Sarah Unthank 11
Emma Unthank 5
Mary Ann Unthank 4
John J Brown 36 visitor
John Brown 8 "
Robt Molloy 23 Ships carpenter visitor
Eliz Molloy 22 Wife Visitor

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 10:42

Theres 6 years difference in the age of Anne Caslin and Annie Casten but I should think its the same person as Robert is dwn as 1841 on that census and 1837 on another. Don't forget they did'nt really celebrate birthdays like we do today all those years ago.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 10:46

1881

Name: Robert Molloy
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Molloy
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Ellenborough St 1 Court 7 House
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Ships Carpenter**********************
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3595
Folio: 107
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Molloy 39
Jane Molloy 43
Catherine Garaty 39 visitor
Thomas Garaty 42 "

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 10 Nov 2017 11:18

Welcome to GR Paul.

Marriages Sep 1930 (>99%)
Lyons Arthur Roberts W.Derby 8b 1172
Roberts Honora Lyons W.Derby 8b 1172

In case this is of interest to you.....

Arthur Lyons on the 1939 Register

Lyons Household (6 People) 33 Arlington Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Arthur Lyons 24 Apr 1906 Male Ships Fireman "Nova Scotia" 291 93783 Married 111 1
Norah (Honora) Lyons 19 Mar 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 111 2
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Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 11:30

1891 for Annie?

Name: Annie Castain
Gender: Female
Age: 31
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1860
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Timothy
Residence Place: Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: South Everton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2943
Folio: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Castain 31 Widow
John Castain 34 single Seas sailor casel Town Peaks??
Margt Haines 7
Robert Holder 74
Ellen Holder 59

Paul

Paul Report 10 Nov 2017 11:54

Thanks for the quick replies, much appreciated ! No marriage record approx. 1895 between John and Sarah, maybe they married outside uk ?

Paul

Paul Report 10 Nov 2017 11:56

Also ,as mentioned no birth records in GRO for earlie children John and Robert.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2017 11:59

I can't find a Sarah Cassellin/casselan on the census at all before she is with John.

Mary

Mary Report 10 Nov 2017 14:34

Could this be Robert lyon?

Robert Caslin no mums name so illegitimate,
M Qtr 1897 Liverpool V08b P103.

Sarah/Sara Caslin born 19/6/1874 baptised 15/7/1892 at St Josephs Lancashire a Catholic baptism by Anne Caslin

Maryb.

Paul

Paul Report 10 Nov 2017 14:49

Thanks Mary, Fascinating, many thanks, a possible lead.