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William Miller (Millar)

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Kelzi

Kelzi Report 23 Nov 2017 14:11

Tracing ancestors on my aunt Eleanors side (Kell-nee Millar).Got as far back as the 1881 census & her grandfather-William Miller (Millar).He married a Sarah Jane - - - - - in Ireland pre 1859.They were still in Ireland (probably Belfast area) in 1874,so not on the 1871 census in England.They're on the 1881 census in my hometown-Barrow-in-Furness.If anyone's got access to Irish records & could possibly do me a look up ? William's said to of been born in Belfast? 1836.Sarah Jane 1836 too.
I'd love to get back further,so ANY help/info/advice much appreciated.
CHEERS.

Gins

Gins Report 23 Nov 2017 14:24

It looks like Sarah Jane Casey is the wife/mother

MILLER, JOHN HERBERT MMN CASEY
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 866

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Nov 2017 14:24

For our reference.

All born in Ireland except John Herbert's wife and daughter (Jessie & Charlotte), both born Isle of Man:


William Miller
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Miller
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Jane Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 102 Brick Cottages
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Iron Ship Rivetters Holder Up
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4291
Folio: 11
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
William Miller 45
Sarah Jane Miller 45
James Thos. Miller 22
Robert Alexr. Miller 19
Andrew Miller 17
David Miller 15
Joseph Miller 10
Sarah Jane Miller 7
John Herbert Miller 22
Jessie Miller 21
Charlotte Wylie Miller

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 23 Nov 2017 14:40

Thanks for your help. I don't think John Herbert Miller is William & Sarah Millers son though? She'd be 50 by that time? Not impossible? I'll check the 1891 census & marriages.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Nov 2017 14:41

1881 says John Herbert is a nephew, and he's a ship steward on SS "Antrim".

Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Nov 2017 14:42

This should be 1891

Name: William Miller
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1836
Spouse: Sarah J Miller
Child: Joseph Miller
Sarah J Miller
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: Barrow, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, Institution or Vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3486
Folio: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
William Miller 55
Sarah J Miller 55
Joseph Miller 20
Sarah J Miller 17
John H Miller 4


Andy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Nov 2017 14:49

John Herbert's daughter:

Charlotte Wyllie Miller
in the Web: Isle of Man, Baptism Index, 1600-1981
Name: Charlotte Wyllie Miller
Baptism Date: 25 Mar 1881
Baptism Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Father: John Herbert Miller
Biography: Parents: John Herbert Miller & Jessie Miller


His wife was another Casey:


John Herbert Miller
in the Web: Isle of Man, Marriage Index, 1606-1984
Name: John Herbert Miller
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1880
Marriage Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Spouse: Jessie Casey
Biography: Married: Jessie Casey. Groom's marital status: Bachelor. Groom's father: Robert Miller. Bride's marital status: Spinster. Bride's father: Martin Casey. (MS10310/2/1)

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 23 Nov 2017 14:55

Thanks for your help. I don't think John Herbert Miller is William & Sarah Millers son though? She'd be 50 by that time? Not impossible? Just checked the 1891 census & it's another,different Sarah Jane.She's John Herbert Miller (seniors) wife.

safc

safc Report 23 Nov 2017 15:05

on josephs birth cert mothers maiden name is gregory


Sarah Jane Gregory
mentioned in the record of William Millar and Sarah Jane Gregory
Name William Millar
Birth Date 1833
Age 20
Spouse's Name Sarah Jane Gregory
Spouse's Birth Date 1835
Spouse's Age 18
Event Date 21 Dec 1853
Event Place Belfast, Ant, Ire
Father's Name Robert Millar
Spouse's Father's Name John Gregory


josephs birth is on this site

go to civil records 1870 belfast

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 23 Nov 2017 15:15

CHEERS safc,that's the one :)

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 23 Nov 2017 15:56

My grandfather was born in Brick Cottages (1881 census above) which was a slum for immigrant catholic Irish working in the shipyards. The family came from Armagh and I managed to get quite a lot further back on this site.

https://registers.nli.ie

Some of them are so faint that they are almost impossible to read, but others are fine.

Good luck.

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 23 Nov 2017 19:50

CHEERS.

Flip

Flip Report 25 Nov 2017 13:03

Paul, you may also want to check out Scotland records - my ancestors were also living at Brick Cottages in 1881, having originated from Scotland. Their children were born in a mixture if Ireland/Scotland/Barrow - they moved around a lot working in shipyards, before settling in Barrow. My great grandfather was also a riveter in the shipyard.

If you are still local, the local records office has some really interesting information and pictures of Brick Cottages. They also have the local church registers and burial records which can be pretty useful.

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 25 Nov 2017 15:30

I agree with Flip. The Family History section in the public library is an excellent source of information. The term "Brick Cottages" is, I think, a euphemism, as they are more generally known as the Brick Huts. They were so insanitary that the council ordered that they be demolished in the 1880's. How any babies survived is a miracle.

My great-grandfather was a general labourer. Back in Ireland he worked on the roads, but, according to family stories, helped himself to some of the materials and fled to England to escape retribution!!

Flip

Flip Report 25 Nov 2017 16:50

Not many babies did survive, they were hit with smallpox (or was it scarlet fever, my notes are at home sorry) in the early 1880s and like Andysmum says it was a really bad place to be in, and known locally as the brick huts. Right next to Walney channel, they were unprotected from the elements, had no running water or gas supply, no sanitation - just ditches for sewage.

A lot of people living there moved to the "Scotch Buildings" on Barrow Island a large development of tenemant buildings built in the late 1870s to try to cope with the large influx of workers for the mining, iron/steel works and shipbuilding.

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 7 Dec 2017 21:13

I still live in Dalton-in-Furness,so can easily access this info,CHEERS for all your help.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 7 Dec 2017 23:01


Confirms info found by Safc

The births of children named David, Joseph and Sarah Jane can all be found at:
irishgenealogy.ie.

All born at 12 Hope Court, Belfast

Parents: William Miller ( Labourer) and Sarah Jane GREGORY

David b 26 Mar 1866
Joseph b 11 Nov 1870
Sarah Jane b 11 Jul 1873

Marriage showing each father's name:
Sarah Jane Gregory
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Date: 1835
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1853
Marriage Place: Belfast, Ant, Ire
Father: John Gregory ***
Spouse: William Millar


William Millar
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1833
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1853
Marriage Place: Belfast, Ant, Ire
Father: Robert Millar **
Spouse: Sarah Jane Gregory