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Any helpers bored? ;-) Updated

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Nyx

Nyx Report 5 Dec 2017 19:13

It's not my family but I have been curious for some time about 3 'sisters', Olive, Annie and Amy Shelmerdine, friends of my mum when I was little.

I had looked before but before the 1939 reg was available but the info I had then was wrong ( this tread so please ignore it if you find it lol https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1242198).

I've found them definitely now on the 1939, 1911 and 1901 but could do with some help on untangling the threads lol my brain seems to be mush tonight.

1939
Household (5 People)
22 Hollins Avenue , Lees U.D., Lancashire, England

Olive Shelmerdine 22 Jul 1915 Female Cotton Winder Single 425 3
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Bessie Shelmerdine 19 Oct 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties - 425 2
Amy King 17 May 1895 Female Shopkeeper (Chips & Fish) Single 425 4
Anne King 22 Jul 1893 Female Domestic - Servant Single 425 5

also on there is Henry Shelmerdine, Bessie's husband but left off the transcription.

This is their marriage

Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
King Bessie Oldham 8d 1233
Shelmerdine Henry Oldham 8d 1233

Bessie's previous marriage was to Arthur King

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)

King Arthur Oldham 8d 899
LEIGH Annabella Bessie Oldham 8d 899

Annie and Amy King both have mmn Leigh ( GRO index) ...so far so good.

1911 Amy and Annie with younger siblings


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
5 Montgomery St Hollinwood Oldham, Oldham, Lancashire, England


Henry Shelmerdine Head Married Male Cotton Mule Spinner 36 1875 Oldham Lancashire
Bessie Shelmerdine Wife Married Female - 39 1872 Ellesmere York Cheshire
Linda Shelmerdine Daughter Single Female Schoolgirl 10 1901 Hollinwood Lanc
Edith Shelmerdine Daughter - Female - 8 1903 Hollinwood Lanc
Annie King Daughter - Female Card Room Hand Roving Frame Tenter 18 1893 Hollinwood Lanc
Amy King Daughter - Female Card Room Hand Roving Frame Tenter 16 1895 Hollinwood Lanc
Jeremiah Shelmerdine ( * Jeminah? Jemima?) Mother Widow Female - 77 1834 Manchester Lanc

1901 The King grandmother, the Shelmerdines and a Nellie Leigh (maybe bessie's sister?)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
34, Collin Croft, Chadderton, Oldham, Lancashire, England

Rosa King Head Widow Female 57 1844 - Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England n
Edward King Son Single Male 22 1879 Iron Works Labourer Lancashire, England
Ada King Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Bolt Turner Lancashire, England
Beatrice King Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Lancashire, England
Clara King Grand Child - Female 7 1894 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Annie King Grand Child - Female 7 1894 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Amy King Grand Child - Female 5 1896 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Harry Skelmerdine ( Shelmerdine) Boarder Married Male 26 1875 Operative Spinner Ellesmere, Cheshire, England
Bessie Skelmerdine Boarder Married Female 30 1871 Cardroom Hand Ellesmere, Cheshire, England
Linda Skelmerdine Boarder - Female 0 1901 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Nellie Leigh Boarder Single Female 21 1880 Cardroom Hand Staffordshire, England

IF you've waded through all that lol, thankyou!, can someone please see if they can find Arthur King and 'Bessie' in 1891? Thankyou.

patchem

patchem Report 5 Dec 2017 19:23

Is this Arthur's death (for his age)?

Deaths Sep 1897
King Arthur 29 Oldham 8d 519

(so born about 1868)

safc

safc Report 5 Dec 2017 19:25


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Millgate, Oldham, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur King Head Married Male 22 1869 Cotton Spinner Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Anabella B King Wife Married Female 21 1870 Cotton Card Room Hand Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, England

safc

safc Report 5 Dec 2017 19:25

Marriage: 30 Aug 1890 St Margaret of Antioch, Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
Arthur King - 21 yrs., Spinner, Bachelor, Hollinwood
Annabella Bessie Leigh - 20 yrs., Cardroom Hand, Spinster, Hollinwood
Groom's Father: Charles King, Labourer
Bride's Father: William Leigh, Clerk
Witness: Charles Leigh; Eugenie Winterbottom
Married by Banns by: G. Garnons Bird
Register: Marriages 1876 - 1892, Page 217, Entry 433

Nyx

Nyx Report 5 Dec 2017 19:25

Could well be Patchem :-D

patchem

patchem Report 5 Dec 2017 19:26

?
Arthur King
Gender: Male Age: 22 Relationship: Head Pontefract, Yorkshire, Birth Year: 1869
Spouse: Anabella B King Birth Place: Ellesmere port Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham Ecclesiastical parish: Hollinwood Residence Place: Oldham, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Oldham Sub registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, Institution or Vessel: 49 Piece: 3306 Folio: 156

Arthur King 22
Anabella B King 21

Nyx

Nyx Report 5 Dec 2017 19:27

Thankyou Safc, that's them.

I've just found Annabella bessie in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
67, Shepherd Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

William Leigh Head Married Male 36 1845 Railway Clerk Montgomeryshire, Wales
Annabella Leigh Wife Married Female 34 1847 Railway Clerk Wife -
Fred W Leigh Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar -
Annabella B Leigh Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar -
Charles E Leigh Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar -
Marian G Leigh Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Nellie Leigh Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Nyx

Nyx Report 5 Dec 2017 19:31

Thankyou Patchem and Safc.

I am now curious as to whether the 'sister' Olive was actually the daughter of Annie or Amy, as there is such a big age gap it seems likely and her reg on GRO index gives King as surname no mmn.

Curiosity killed the cat....

safc

safc Report 5 Dec 2017 19:42


Isle of Man, Deaths and Burials 1598-2011 Transcription
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First name(s) Olive King
Last name Shelmerdine
Age 63
Birth year 1916
Death year 1979
Registration year 1979
Registration district Douglas
Residence Douglas
Country Isle of Man
Volume 119
Page number 8412
Source Isle of Man Deaths 1877-2011
Record set Isle Of Man, Deaths And Burials 1598-2011
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other

Nyx

Nyx Report 5 Dec 2017 19:46

Sorry yes I should have said that Annie, Amy and Olive died in the Isle of Man, they moved there just after we did, having all lived in the same Welsh village when I was about 6. They were great fun, one cooked, one cleaned and one painted portraits, and all three of them loved their cats and a blue eyed goose called Angus :-) Their cottage always smelled of baking, beeswax, linseed oil and oil paints :-)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Dec 2017 23:16

you may have to splurge on Olive's birth certificate ....... £6 if you use the new GRO email

Nyx

Nyx Report 6 Dec 2017 09:55

Sylvia, I think it may be my 'birthday treat to me' :-)

Nyx

Nyx Report 13 Dec 2017 11:04

Update for those who helped, have just received the birth cert pdf for Olive and it is as guessed the older 'sister' who was her mother. ( no father named). The informant was Bessie, Olive's grandmother as per the census.

Thanks all :-) Curiosity satisfied!