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The Newspaper Articles are on Find My Past.

My eyes have crossed over..... :-S.......So i will pop back on here tomorrow.

Prickles ;o))

I am soo confused now.

It seems that the Mary Walter (Unmarried) on the 1861 census...was actually the wife of John Walter??

Here she is on the 1871census...

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bittoms, Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

Mary Walter Head - Female 50 Widow...Dress Maker 1821 - Suffolk, England
Joseph Walter Son - Male 16 Drapers Apprentice 1855 - Surrey, England
William Walter Son - Male 14 Printers Apprentice 1857 - Surrey, England
Lemuel Walter Son - Male 12 Scholar 1859 - Surrey, England
John H Lawton Lodger - Male 51 1820 - Kent, England


WALTER, GEORGE LEMUEL MMN HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in KINGSTON SURREY Volume 02A Page 196

At the moment.....i am not seeing a marriage for a John Walter to a Mary Holmes.

Oh hang on........possibly this marriage........

??

Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
Holmes Mary Kingston 2a 257
Walters John Kingston 2a 257

How embarrassing for Mary (& Susannah's) father as a gaol keeper.
Chris posted some newspaper articles earlier - how do I find these full articles please?

John Walter in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: John Walter
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1825
Baptism Date: 4 Dec 1825
Baptism Place: Kingston Upon Thames, All Saints, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Kingston Upon Thames
Father: Joseph Walter (Gaol Keeper)
Mother: Martha Walter

I just noticed that at the end of the 1854 Newspaper Article, it mentions.......

Mary Walter...was commited for trial, charged with obtaining from the shop of Mr Hill, grocer, a quantity of articles in the name of the prisoner, John Rowles---She was admitted to bail.

Susannah had a sister Mary Walter who appears on the 1841 census.

Mary Elizabeth Walter in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Mary Elizabeth Walter
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1819
Baptism Date: 5 Mar 1819
Baptism Place: Kingston Upon Thames, All Saints, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Kingston Upon Thames
Father: Joseph Walter (Bridewell Keeper)
Mother: Martha Walter

Here she is with her Mother on the 1861 census

Mary Walter in the 1861 England Census
Orchard Street, Kingston, Surrey, England

Name: Mary Walter
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: 1821
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Martha Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Yoxford, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Kingston on Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Kingston
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 455
Folio: 113
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Walter 73 Widow House Keeper
John Walter 37 Carman (Widower??) Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
Mary Walter 40 (Unmarried ??) Yoxford Surrey
Joseph Jas Walter 7 Grandson Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
Wm Robt Walter 6 Grandson Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
George Allamuel Walter 2 Grandson Kingston on Thames, Surrey England
Charles John Walter 6/12 Grandson Kingston on thames, Surrey England
Henry Loveland 25 Lodger
George Warwick 66 Lodger
William Bignell 32 Lodger

WALTER, JOSEPH JAMES MMN HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 175

Joseph James Walter in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Joseph James Walter
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1854
Baptism Place: Kingston Upon Thames All Saints, Kingston upon Thames, England
Father: John Walter (Omnibus Conductor)
Mother: Mary Walter
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kew Road, Richmond, Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ambrose Rowles Head Married Male 30 1821 Chimney Sweeper Twickenham, Middlesex, England Transcription
Susan Rowles Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Twickenham, Middlesex, England Transcription
George Rowles Nephew Unmarried Male 15 1836 Chimney Sweeper Hounslow, Middlesex, England

related.?



DEATH OF A WOMAN. On Tuesday afternoon Dr. Diplock held an inquiry the Prince Albert Inn touching the death of Eliza- Ambrose Rowles, residing in the third cross-road, indent)fie i the body that of bis wife, who was 44 years of age. On Thursday night
27 September 1873 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England

later wife of Elizabeth.

Yep, me too PH ... Susannah's driving me nuts. I too seem to be spending an awful lot of time on her. With assaults, etc., in this family I wonder what else we're going to find ... hopefully he didn't murder her??

(I reckon she was behind John having that broken ankle, lol lol, revenge is sweet as they say!)

Chris :)

I have to confess to becoming a tiny bit obsessed with Susannah Rowles. :-D

Soooo frustrating that she can't be found on the 1861 census and what happened to her after 1871.

I must have spent over four hours searching for her!! :-S

(did you read below newspaper article posted earlier, was interesting!)

(haven't found her 1861)

Chris :)

Dea Report 5 Mar 2018 08:53

Interesting article about their relationship here:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/67988328

Dea x

I'm still sifting through all this info, can't quite get my head around it yet. I wonder what happened to Susannah?
It gets weirder and weirder - I'm doing this research for a friend who has no family connection to me whatsoever, but in one of the censuses while looking for John Rowles, I found someone with the same surname as my husband living with him. I'm sure there's no connection but just thought I'd mention it.
Anyway, back to Susannah. Do you think it's strange that she's on the 1851 census as wife but in 1871 she's a school mistress - do you think it's the right Susannah? Like you PH I can't find her anywhere in the 1861 census.

Well, i have found Brook Street in 1861

I don't know if it's all of it or part of it.

I have sifted through the pages (3 i think) but no luck finding any name that resembles a Susannah Rowles.

If you wan't to take a look.....

I looked up this chap.......

William Hidgwrick in the 1861 England Census

Name: William Hidgwrick.........He is actually William Liquorish
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hidgwrick
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Kingston on Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Kingston
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

It is also a mystery what happend to Susannah after 1871.

I checked out this marriage.......

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
Rowles Susannah Brentford 3a 101
WALTERS David Brentford 3a 101

But it's not the right Susannah.

Enjoy Yvonne!!

Prickles ;o))

This is really finding the skeletons in the cupboard! I don't know how you guys find all this stuff .. I don't think I would've found it by myself, but I'm really grateful. I'm still wading through it all and trying to get my head around it.
Thank you so much.

Need to see Brook Street 1861...

(the 1854 'do' that Dea posted, there was a lot going on, lol, hope her father with his occ. wasn't about!)


http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/b2.html

Bridewell Keeper In charge of a lock-up or jail


https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(Baptism also on above, she was one of 9 children, by looks of it)

Chris :)

(looking at below FMP, Eden and Brook seem to be on same page, need to trawl through I think)

Bailey Elizabeth 1804 — 1861 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Kingston, Surrey, England


(oh dear!)

08 August 1857 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England

J. ROWLES, CHIMNEY-SWEEPER & Nightman,
Heathen Street, Kingston. BEGS to inform his friends that in consequence of a cowardly attack from a man who is awaiting the Magistrates decision, he has unfortunately broken his ankle, but takes this opportunity to inform the public that his business is carried out as usual, and trusts to receive a continuance of their esteemed demands.

I have to admit defeat on finding Susannah Rowles on the 1861 census.

:-|

Susannah Walter was actually born in 1822

Her Father Joseph's occupation on her marriage record is Jailor

Susanna Walter in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Susanna Walter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1822
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1823
Baptism Place: Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey, England
Father: Joseph Walter (Bridewell Keeper)
Mother: Martha Walter

Susannah not with her parents on the 1841 census

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kingston Borough Gaol, Kingston, Surrey, England

Joseph Walter Male 60 1781 Govenor of Borough Goal Hampshire, England
Martha Walter Female 50 1791 Hertfordshire, England
Mary Walter Female 15 1826 Hampshire (Kingston on the image), England
Ann Walter Female 15 1826 Hampshire (Kingston on the image), England
John Walter Male 15 1826 Hampshire (Kingston on the image), England




1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
****Heathen Street**** M B, Kingston, Surrey, England

John New Male 35 1806 Surrey, England
Elizabeth New Female 40 1801
Susan Walters Female 15 1826 Surrey, England

Gee, you guys have been busy while I've been sleeping. Thanks for all this wonderful info ... I'm going to have to go through it all, too much to take in on first reading.

Thanks.

" John Rowles, chimney sweep.
In 1841 he was living with his father, a chimney sweep, in Heathen
Street. He was a chimney sweep in Heathen Street in 1851 with five assistant
sweeps working for him. One was were born in Buckinghamshire, one in
Hampshire, one in Surrey and two in Dorset. From 1861-1871, he was a chimney sweep in Eden Street with young assistant sweeps and a domestic servant. He died in Kingston, aged 51."

(that's the mystery, wonder if anything more in his Will. His Probate, Lucy Outen of Eden street, Spinster, the sole Executrix)

Chris :)

(so she lived with him, and Susannah at Brook Street, perhaps that was the 'set up', lol, and a School Mistress at that!)


https://www.kingstonhistoryresearch.co.uk/canbury/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/STREET-OF-CHANGE-EDEN-STREET.pdf

(John is mentioned in above, from google search. Eden Street)