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Hoping someone might be able to help with search for an elusive Joseph Hayes (born 1890 in Co. Cork, Ireland). Family moved to Devonport and have found them on 1901 Census some time ago but no Joseph Hayes with family. Have just discovered that a 1911 Census record found at the same time is actually the widowed father and son Joseph whom didn't know existed. Now trying to find out where and with whom he was living in 1901 age about 10 years.

Thank you to anyone who can help.

Can now confirm, thanks to very helpful people, that his correct name is John Joseph Hayes born 1889 in Cork. Change of name, will I hope prove more fruitful on 1901 Census is anyone can help.

Is this the 1911?

Name: Joseph Hayes
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cork
Civil Parish: Devonport
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County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 63 Chapel Street, Devonport
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer & Iron Caulker
Registration district: Devonport
Registration District Number: 278
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 13019
Household Members:
Name Age
Jeremiah Hayes 61
Joseph Hayes 21

Andy

Possible for Joseph, Ireland 1901

Ireland, Census, 1901

Name: Joseph Hayes
Gender: Male
Age: 12
Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Son
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Mount Pleasant Place
District: Rathmines & Rathgar East
County: Dublin
Household Members:
Name Age
Jeremiah Hayes 50
Margaret Hayes 41
Edith Hayes 7
William Hayes 11
Walter Hayes 4
Joseph Hayes 12
Edward Hayes 15

Andy


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Mount_Pleasant_Place/1293053/

There is a family with Jeremiah as head who are in Devonport in 1901, which I suspect you have assumed are yours, but probably aren't, as the age for Jeremiah doesn't tally with 1911

You need to know the mother's name in order to be certain

Could Joseph actually be John Joseph and known by his middle name? There is this birth where the father's name is Jeremiah:-

Ireland Civil Birth Registers Index Transcription

First name(s) John Joseph
Last name Hayes
Sex Male
Birth year 1889
Birth date 17 Jul 1889
Birth place Main St Passage
Registration district Carrigaline No 2
Superintendent's reg district Cork
County Cork
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Jeremiah
Father's last name Hayes
Father's occupation Carpenter
Father's address Main St Passage
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Mother's last name Finn
Registration year 1889
Registration quarter year Jul - Sep 1889
Volume 5
Page 83
Source View the source record
Record set Ireland Civil Birth Registers Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Ireland

Kath. x

The only birth on the civil registration for a Joseph Hayes in Cork around that time was the son of Michael Hayes and Mary Hayes, maiden surname Morrison. He was born on 3 July 1890. The informant was Mary Morrison, who made her mark, present at birth.

Name JOHN JOSEPH HAYES
Date of Birth 1889, 17 July
Group Registration ID 10416482
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R

From image
Father Jeremiah, a Carpenter
Mother Ellen Hayes maiden name Finn

Address Main Street Passage.

Informant Hannah Sullivan (her mark) of same address.

Saw below...

Chris :)

Hayes John Joseph — 1920-22 Britain, Trade Union Membership Registers (Find My Past) Devonport, Devon, England
(Age 33, Admitted February 21)


Hayes J —1928-36

(Age 45, Admitted November 1934)


Edits (as Joseph Hayes Father, has Shipwright for occ. 1911, and Son, occ. Iron Caulker, perhaps below)

Boilermakers 1871-1947
United Society of Boilermakers & Iron Shipbuilders, 1871-1947

Is this the 1901 you refer to?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Market Street, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
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Print View image Add to tree Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Jeremiah Hayes Head Married Male 48 1853 Ireland Shipwrights H M Dockyard Transcription
Ellen Hayes Wife Married Female 42 1859 Ireland - Transcription
Michael J Hayes Son Single Male 21 1880 Ireland Laborer General Transcription
Jeremiah Hayes Son Single Male 17 1884 Ireland Joiners Apprentice Transcription
Harry Hayes Son Single Male 7 1894 Ireland - Transcription

Can you please tell us which of this family's members you are 100% certain of?

Deaths Sep 1906 (>99%)
Hayes Ellen Teresa 47 Devonport 5b 182

1939

Danby Household (7 People)
19 Boscawen Place , Plymouth C.B., Devon, England


John (Joseph) Hayes 22 Jul 1889 Male Iron Caulker Heavy Worker H M D Single 173 4
William Danby 10 Jan 1875 Male Shipwright Retired Married 173 1
Alice Danby 11 Jan 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 173 2
Winifred Danley 04 Jul 1913 Female Grocery Shop Assistant Single 173 3
Harry Thompson 08 Nov 1903 Male Engine Fitter H M D Single 173 5
John Scott 24 Mar 1913 Male Electrical Fitter H M D Single 173 6
Thomas Marshall Henley Thomas (Marshall) 02 Dec 1910 Male Shipwright H M D Single 173 7

Thank you ErikaH for all your replies.

The family listed in the 1901 Census you mentioned are all 100% correct and they are the ones I found some years ago. As you will see, there is no mention of the sibling John Joseph Hayes born 1889 whom I have just recently become aware of.

I can also confirm already have the death of the mother you found, Ellen Theresa Hayes in 1906.

Don't know where you got the 1939 information from (Electoral Roll?) but it definitely looks like my John Joseph Hayes.

Still trying to figure out where to find him though on 1901 Census as definitely was not with parents etc.

Thank you to everyone else who is trying to help.

There is a John Hayes age 11 in a school in Cork in 1901

Have a look..................

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

Please excuse my ignorance ErikaH but when I tried your link it took me to the 1901 and 1911 Irish Census page. How do I see the information you gave re a John Hayes age 11 in a school in Cork?

The link is to the home page, from which you search for people

Select 1901, and put in the name and age where it prompts you - and 'Cork' for the County

Have fun!

The 'school' he was at was Greenmount Industrial School - there is plenty of info available via google - this is just one of many sites:

http://www.corkindependent.com/weekly/ourcityourtown/articles/2017/03/23/4137118-stark-history-of-industrial-schools/

Dea x

P.S. - I don't know if they were connected in any way but there were 2 other 'Hayes' boys listed there, they were William aged 13 and Thomas aged 12. These two were listed together much further up the page so they could possibly be brothers??? but John was way down the page away from them so might well not be connected?

Dea x

The 1939 information is from the 1939 register on FindMyPast.

Have read a lot about the Greenmount Industrial School but can't find anyway to find any more info re the John Hayes listed in 1901. Does anyone have any advice on where I could research to confirm parentage of this John Hayes?

Would be great to find him instead on the 1901 English Census!

Thanks everyone again.