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Hello, I have a main Spencer thread but it seems to have run out of steam with no replies yesterday. Dorothy (who is also stuck on here) and myself have hit a brick wall in finding John Spencer, who Frances Peake married, and his parents, grandparents and siblings. In fact, the marriage is not even listed on the Latter Day Saints Website. We know they got married at St Michael’s, Wood Street, London. For the time, our Spencer’s of this generation, appear to have no official mention. This seems a touch odd.

So, with everything else, I thought if we look at the Peake’s a touch more, or can find someone who knows of Frances Peake (she doesn’t seem to be on anybody’s family tree - could this be a fake name?) it would lead us back to John Spencer and his ancestors the other way.

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Benjamin-Elijah.

John & Frances in the 1841 census: Based on their ages, they're both born between 1750 & 1760:

There's one Frances Peake Baptised in Finsbury, London. Her info is:
Frances Peake
Gender Female
Birth Date 12 May 1750
Baptism Date 06 Jun 1750
Baptism Place Saint Luke Old Street,Finsbury,London,England
Father Rich. Peake
Mother Martha
FHL Film Number 873515

Married St Michael’s, Wood Street, London to John Spencer.

Could I just ask how you know they married if you cant find the marriage record?

well Frances is the female spelling how have you found the marriage

relevant

Name: Frances Peake
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 13 Mar 1796
Marriage Banns Place: St Michael Wood Street, City of London, England
Spouse: John Spencer (Batchelor)
Register Type: Parish Register

also Banns on 28th Feb. 6th March

Married by Banns on:-

Name: Frances Peake
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 17 May 1798
Marriage Banns Place: St Michael Wood Street, City of London, England
Spouse: John Spencer
Register Type: Parish Register

Although the transcription says "banns" the original is actually the marriage:


Frances Peake
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name:
Frances Peake
Gender:
Female
Record Type:
Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date:
17 May 1798
Marriage Banns Place:
St Michael Wood Street, City of London, England
Spouse:
John Spencer
Register Type:
Parish Register

"If" the couple stayed in London then these could be possible children

Name Sarah Spencer
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Apr 1800
Christening Date (Original) 21 APR 1800
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Spencer
Mother's Name Frances

Name Susann Frances Spincer
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Dec 1804
Christening Date (Original) 16 DEC 1804
Christening Place ST SEPULCHRE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 28 Nov 1804
Father's Name John Spincer
Mother's Name Frances

Name Henry Thomas William Spencer
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Oct 1808
Christening Date (Original) 01 OCT 1808
Christening Place SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Spencer
Mother's Name Frances

Name Susanh. Frances Spencer
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Jun 1815
Christening Date (Original) 04 JUN 1815
Christening Place SAINT PAUL,DEPTFORD,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 07 May 1815
Father's Name John Spencer
Mother's Name Frances


...........but there are others in different areas so very much speculation.

EDIT:-
Interesting to note that, at least the last child Susanah was also christened in Kent

Name Susannah Frances Spencer
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Jun 1815
Christening Date (Original) 04 JUN 1815
Christening Place St Paul, Deptford, Kent, England
Birth Date 07 May 1815
Father's Name John Spencer
Mother's Name Frances Spencer

..........so maybe the other christenings also in Kent are the same family?

Hello! Sorry to be a slow-coach on replying - yes, this is the marriage. I think Dorothy got it from a rival of this site if you get my drift?

Yeah, we’re, if you’ll forgive the pun, totally stuck, we picked them up on the census living under the Southam district (probably at Wormleighton Manor). We know the Peake’s parents lived in Finsbury Park (Robert and Martha) but no idea on John or their close family relatives, we are trying to jump a few generations back on John’s side and get his Brother’s and Sisters also if possible.

Thanks for your replies.

I think this is our John and Frances:

John Spencer
Age 80
Estimated Birth Year abt 1761
Gender Male
Where born Warwickshire, England
Civil parish Southam
Hundred Knightlow (Southam Division)
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Southam
Sub-registration district Southam
Piece 1138
Book 16
Folio 26
Page number 18
Household Members
Name Age
John Spencer 80
Frances Spencer 75

- Is there anywhere obvious to go from here? I guess the kids would have moved out too...

Kind Regards,

Benjamin-Elijah.

There are many trees on Ancestry that have John Spencer born 1761 Warwickshire married Frances Turner 1787 in Southam, Warwickshire. These trees show the same 1841 census that you do.

Hi Margaret, we are pretty sure the marriage itself is in London?

Thanks,

Benjamin-Elijah.

On second thoughts, I totally see what you are getting at, but, did they have a Son called George who married Ann Eaves?

Many thanks.

If you look again at my 16.26 post I did give you the marriage back then:-

Married by Banns on:-

Name: Frances Peake
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 17 May 1798
Marriage Banns Place: St Michael Wood Street, City of London, England
Spouse: John Spencer
Register Type: Parish Register

For our reference:

George Spencer
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: George Spencer
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1815
Marriage Place: Saint Michael,Coventry,Warwick,England
Spouse: Ann Eaves
FHL Film Number: 502202

They had a number of children -
Ann 1815; Sarah 1821; Mary Ann 1829; Elizabeth 1823; William 1820; Henry 1828; Thomas 1824.

I'm not posting the baptism records until I've checked your other threads - I suspect they're already posted there.


Unfortunately there's no image of the marriage record, to see who George's parents were.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1372153

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1302263

Hi Catherine, are you sure, because i've worked out there was a John Spencer and Frances Turner marriage in Southam, they were both born in Southam to as were the links to George. It's more likely than a sudden and unexplained move to London when there is a more obvious suggestion staring us in the face. It was Margaret above that came up with this alternative suggestion and I'm inclined to agree that it is more plausible, can you disprove it please, one way or another?

If my alternative explanation is true, what i'm stuck on is that I have his Dad as potentially the Sir John Spencer of Wormleighton born 1734 but he is not listed as having married an Alice or having a child called George - could be a first/second wife etc but I can't find anything along these lines....Illegitimate child?? There is apparently some dirty history on the grapevine...

Thanks for everybody's time :-)

ArgyllGran thanks for your regular following and for keeping things linked.

Yes, I already have the children of George but many thanks.

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1372173

Are there any more threads about this?

Well, the image shows a John Spencer married to a Frances Turner in 1787 in Southam, did he marry more than once?

EDIT: John Spencer and Frances Turner did have a son called George, see baptisms in this post.

EDIT: I believe they are two different couples.

Warwickshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910

Name: Frances Turner<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage or Bann Date: 27 Dec 1787
Marriage or Bann Place: Southam, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Southam
Search Photos: Search for 'Southam' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: John Spencer <<<<<<<<<<

Witnesses were James Turner and William Bass. Frances was a spinster of the parish, and John Spencer a bachelor odf the parish of Radford.

The couple has several children baptised in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812, up till at least 1806.

eg in 1800

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: Henry Spencer

1806

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: Mary Spencer

In 1795

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: Anne Spencer

in 1803

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: Prudence Spencer

in 1797 GEORGE SPENCER

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: George Spencer<<<<<<<<<<<

in 1791

Name: Frances Spencer
Gender: Female
Spouse: John Spencer
Child: Sarah Spencer