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Hi,
I am trying to tie in my family line beyond 1823.
George was born 1823 in Middlesex, England, married Jane (BATCHELOR), b. abt 1822 in BRIGHTON, Sussex.
George's father is eluding me! I have 2 possibles but cannot corroborate either as his actual father. Either:
HINDLEY, Joseph b. abt 1799. Resident of MARYLEBONE 1841 (Census)
or
HINDLEY, Charles b. abt 1790, Manchester

As I do not have a definitive place of birth for George I am struggling to find his full birth record :-(

Any help very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob

if this is his marriage his father is charles

in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 No Image

Name: George Hindley
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 May 1848
Marriage Place: Saint Nicholas,Brighton,Sussex,England
Father: Charles Hindley
Spouse: Jane Batchelor
FHL Film Number: 1067119

the image can be viewed on family search

his father is a clerk in an insurance office
george was living at 24 gloster lane
he was a book binder
witnesses charles hinley and marion ( i think ) edge

Thanks for that Maddie.
My problem is.... the Charles I found was born, married and buried in Manchester but, George and his siblings were all born in Middlesex :-(

I have a nasty feeling I am following the wrong line and lead! :-(

I have my fathers birth certificate and am awaiting certificates for his father (John Thomas HINDLEY) and Grand Father (Charles HINDLEY)

1841
Trevor Square, St Margaret, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Hindley Male 59 1782 Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary Skillington Female 40 1801 -
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Sarah Oxer Female 27 1814 Middlesex, England

imge say (can't read 1st two words ) insurance

but in 1861 says unmarried
34, Trevor Square, St Margarets, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Hindley Head Unmarried Male 79 1782 Fund Holder London, Middlesex, England
Transcription
Mary Skillington Servant Widow Female 60 1801 House Keeper Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
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Julia E Haston Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 House Servant Westow, Middlesex, England

so maybe not

Did George have to get baptised before he could marry???


Name: George Hindley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1847
Baptism Place: Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Father: Charles Hindley
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1067110


Edit no it's a different family

1861 census
Name: George Hindley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1847
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Hindley
Mother's name: Mary Hindley
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
Town: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: The Palace
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 599
Folio: 110
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hindley 40
Mary Hindley 40
Charles Hindley 15
George Hindley 14
Edwin Hubert 44
Mary Ashdown 67
Jeffie Gibson 19

:-S :-S

It gets more complicated the more I enquire

:-S :-S

Thanks for your input and I will keep all of that in mind.
Probably not the 1847 birth, Shirley, as that would make him 6 years old when his son, Charles, was born!! (b. abt 1853)

George (b. abt. 1823) may have been apprenticed in Brighton, hence marriage there even though born in Middlesex.

Such fun :-D

don't know if this helps
1851
20 Gloster Lane, Brighton, Sussex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Hindley Head Widow Female 57 1794 Annuitant Brighton, Sussex, England
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Jane Hindley Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1824 Dress Maker Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England
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Mary Ovitt Mother Widow Female 80 1771 Formerly Laundress Brighton, Sussex, England
Transcription
John Clewes Visitor Married Male 40 1811 Post Office Directory Agent Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England

is this his brother living with Janes family
1841
Fetter Lane, St Dunstan in the West, West London (City of London), London & Middlesex, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Batchelor Male 45 1796 Middlesex, England
Transcription
Harriot Batchelor Female 40 1801 Middlesex, England
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Mary Batchelor Female 50 1791 Middlesex, England
Transcription
Jane Batchelor Female 13 1828 Middlesex, England
Transcription --------------------
John Gilham Male 30 1811 -
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Lucy Butler Female 15 1826 -
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Charles Hindley Male 20 1821 -

I shall await birth certificates and then re-think!

:-\

Thanks Maddie but still unsure.
Thought my name was not as common as it turns out to be!

Just in case it turns out to be relevant, here's that 1851 family in 1841;

Jane Hindley
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Jane Hindley
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St John Hackney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
Neighbors:
Piece: 700
Book: 3
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hindley 40
Jane Hindley 1

Address: Shacklewell Place

It looks to say Sec Globe insurance as occupation in 1841 which ties in nicely to below

Charles Hindley of 34 Trevor Square Knightsbridge died age 84 26/3/1866
on his will it states oaths by Frederick Poole of The Globe Insurance
Left under £4,000 no sons or daughters mentioned.

1851 34,Trevor Square
Hindley Charles Unmarried 69 born St George in The East Middlesex Sec of Public insurance (Globe)
Skillington Mary


Maryb.

Robert - Shirley's post doesn't say he was born 1847, but rather asks if he had to be baptised before he was married. It may have been that he wasn't baptised at birth, but was as a pre requisite for marriage or even decided as an adult that he wished to be baptised?
Regardless of your post below, Shirley, until she edited her post, was questioning about the George who it was thought to be your relative. Not until the edit was it realised that it was a different George.

Hey Greyghost, yeah it does.

1861 census
Name: George Hindley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: 1847
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Hindley
Mother's name: Mary Hindley
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
Town: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

:-D

Cheers for the input anyway.

Maybe if I give a little more information:

My Father:
Charles George HINDLEY Spouse Daphne May (DARNELL)
b. Nov 1913 Stepney b. May 1931 London
d. Aug 1998 d. Apr 2018

Grandfather:
John Thomas HINDLEY Spouse Ada Eveline (PATTRICK)
b. 1881 Bethnal Green b. Jan 1886
d. 1959 d. 1978

Great Grandfather:
Charles HINDLEY Spouse Charlotte Ann (MARSHALL)
b. Oct 1853 b. 1857
d. Oct 1908 d. 1896

G. Great Grandfather
George Hindley
b. 1823
d. 1854


Those are all confirmed, then it gets hazy :-)

George possibly married to Jane Ellis (BATCHELOR) or that maybe a complete wrong direction, although I have found a potential marriage record.

Possible baptism for

"1851 34,Trevor Square
Hindley Charles Unmarried 69 born St George in The East Middlesex Sec of Public insurance (Globe)
Skillington Mary"

Name: Charles Hindley
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1781
Baptism Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<
Father: John Hindley
Mother: Eliz Hindley

Charles s of John Hindley, Gentle, by Eliz.


Another son born previously to John and Eliz?

Name: Thomas Hindley
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1778
Baptism Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England<<<<
Father: John Hindley
Mother: Eliz Hindley

If you look up the children born to George and wife Jane on the GRO site (you need to register but it's free) you can check the maiden name of the mother of George's children in their index:

eg this Charles Hindley born 1853 has a mother maiden name BATCHELOR:

HINDLEY, CHARLES BATCHELOR
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 01C
Page 192

Other Hindley - Batchelor children...

HINDLEY, ADA EMMA ANN BATCHELOR
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 01C Page 180

HINDLEY, JANE JULIA BATCHELOR
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in BRIGHTHELMSTON Volume 07 Page 325 Order


There may well be more, you need to check yourself as you can only check one gender at a time, for a max of a 5 yr period at a time.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp


Interestingly one daughter is registered in Brighthelmston Reg Dist., the year after the marriage of Jane Batchelor and George Hindley in Brighton.

Hey Kucinta,
Yes, that George and Jane are indeed my ancestors, it's George's father that is the problem. No matter how I look up his parents I cannot, indisputably, define his Father and Mother, with out a birth certificate or full registry entry.
Thanks for putting in the time to look though :-)

I am registered on GRO ;-)

I wonder if there is something going on like George might have been adopted at some point by father Charles, the insurance chap. The unmarried one reported on the census earlier in this thread might then well be the same man mentioned as father Charles on the marriage details. It might also account for lack of documentation or baptism record for George. Just a thought.

BTW, I was responding to this line you posted earlier re George and Jane.

"George possibly married to Jane Ellis (BATCHELOR) or that maybe a complete wrong direction, although I have found a potential marriage record."

Jane's father is named as William Batchelor on the marriage record.