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Does the death certificate say wife/widow of Frederick William or the informant was Frederick William which I think was the name of one of the family

As I said on page one, he may not have been a Ricketts at birth. You need to consider all possibilities

In the light of the certs I know have, not sure that the George and Florence Ricketts is my family, at the time of finding this family mum said that her father Fred had at least 1 sister and I mentioned the name Florence and she said it rang a bell! Got my mum's birth cert today and it says her father was Frederick Alfred Ricketts same as her sister Rosina 3 years earlier, only her mother's death cert gives his name as Frederick William Ricketts. Looking at Fred's marriage cert again ( with the terrible writing) the father's name could possible be Alfred and not Albert and Occ could be porter but looks more like painter!! Still no further forward and not sure I can rely on what mum says but she is the last link.

Also this one - per the other thread:

RICKETTS, MARY ANN AMELIA mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 696

The other thread about Ricketts

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362127

But we don't know if he had any siblings - do we?

The Florence and George mentioned in the other thread have been discounted as the children of George Rickett(s) and Mary Ann Clarke.

RICKETT, GERTRUDE FLORENCE mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 657

RICKETT, FREDERICK JOHN mms CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 639

RICKETT, GEORGE EDWARD mms CLARK
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 694

Not seeing any Frederick on the 1911 census with a father named Arthur or Albert


Maybe tracing birth certs of siblings would identify his

some birth dates have been amended on the 1939 index but I see the Fredericks
has not been changed

Mavis

I see at the beginning of your 1st thread you mention Frederick, Florence and George as siblings - are they still relevant or have they been dismissed?

If they are still relevant, could you please give more detaiil of where you have them from please?

Dea x

On Fred's marriage cert - is there any way that his father's occupation could read 'PORTER' please?

Dea x

EDIT - AAArrrgghh!!! - I remember now - you sent me a copy of that marriage cert (although I looked to see if I still had it but unfortunately not ! :-( ) anyway I do remember that it was the most disgraceful handwriting I have ever seen so it is impossible to be sure of anything on there for certain..

Dea x

Lawson Household (3 People)
35 Robinson Road , Bethnal Green, London, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Albert E Lawson 30 Aug 1904 Male Mill Hands (Soap Factory + Aux F S) Married 84 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Elizabeth Lawson 20 Jun 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 84 3

My cousin started me looking for Fred again but she is looking for her grandparents too, found them on 1939 register preview. Could anyone tell me the details of Albert E Lawson born 1904 and Elizabeth Lawson in Bethnal Green on 1939 register please.

I have searched all variations of Frederick and his other names to find a birth record but no trace of anything like it, will look at mum's birth and marriage cert tomorrow to see if there is anything different about his name or birth. Spoke to mum today and at 85 she is on the ball and Frederick Alfred rings a bell but not Camden as her father's birth place. Cricklewood is the only place she remembers as far Frederick's family living, it is same area of London but further out. She is sure he had sister's too.

Sylvia- I was referring to Nicola's comment.

Nicola wrote:
"The 1939 register for Frederick Richetts is the right one and interesting that the day and month of his birth is the same as death cert but 3 years earlier"

But it is is only the day that matches. Both month and year are different

Austin .............


he could have been registered late!

Do you have the 1911 for Elizabeth

John Elliott 23
Elizabeth Elliott 19
Elizabeth Elliott 2
Sarah Elliott 0
Mary Ann Allen 43 - mother (in law)

Elizabeth Alice 1909 was registered in 1909 and re-registered in Dec qtr 1913 mmn Allen

Just to note- it is only the day that matches on his death certificate and the 1939 register.

Death cert says born Feb, 1939 register states September.

Father Albert or Alfred Ricketts Occ Painter ( not clear) on Fred's marriage cert

does it give fathers occupation on the marriage cert

Nicola ...........

not uncommon to find different birth years, as I'm sure you have been told before.

People lied about their age, others may have taken a guess.

But one thing usually stays constant with those that lie ...... the date and month rarely change, it is the year they change.


My grandfather being the exception ........... he changed date, month AND year! :-D