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Maria Goode and Edward/Edwin Chinery

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Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 23:20

The Suffolk baptism index does seem to include families named Pattle, so if Pattle Chinery did exist, it might have been the maiden name of one of the Chinery wives in his line.

Or maybe, if Edwin was illegitimate, Pattle was the surname of his biological father.

Can't tie the Pattles to Woolpit, just to the county at present.

Not finding any trace of a Pattle Chinery in military records.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 23:03

If Christine's 1817 baptism is correct ( and it doesn't include a date of birth so we don't know if he was born as late as 1817, which doesn't tally well with age in censuses):

EDIT: but see further down the thread - it was a batch baptism, so year/date of birth not known.

Name: Edwin Chenery
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1817
Baptism Place: Archdeaconry of Sudbury, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND
Mother: Ann Chenery
FHL Film Number: 951463

Then it looks like Edwin was illegitimate.

He may have either completely made up a father's name etc to save face, or he may have substituted the name of a relative like a grandfather, or even used elements of his birth father's name, if it was known to him.

Can't find your tree on Anc to check the image for inspiration.
EDIT: Found it, definitely reads as Pattle, or at a pinch Pattie. The later just might be a diminutive of Patrick, but am really reaching and no baptism to match.

Susan

Susan Report 12 Oct 2018 21:59

Thanks guys. Working through this. I have ordered the 1879 death certificate/PDF for Maria. I guess the obvious question I have is if Edward/Edwin’s father is Edward why on their marriage certificate does he list his dad as pattle Chinery. It’s a very bad copy but defiantly not Edward. If you are able to find it I put a copy on my tree in Ancestry. I couldn’t find a pattle Chinery. It’s a mystery and strange.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 20:52

You asked how to decide between two deaths for Maria Chinery nee Goode.

"Possible deaths - Searched for Maria Chinery DOB 1837 +/-2 years Suffolk = 21 results but only 2 in Stow 1879 or 1911 - is there a way to eliminate one of these?"

Erika has already posted this one, and I am inclined to agree with her..

Note that the age is approx correct, and she is buried at Woolpit, where your Maria resided in the 1871 census. The fact that you didn't find her in the census after 1871, also adds weight to this theory.

National Burial Index For England & Wales

First name(s) Maria
Last name Chinery
Age 41
Birth year 1838
Death year 1879
Burial year 1879
Burial date 21 Jun 1879
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Place Woolpit<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

If you want to be absolutely certain, then buy a pdf of the death cert from the GRO, it should reference her as the widow of Edwin/Edward Chinery if it is the right one.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 Oct 2018 20:22

Batism for Edward/Edwin's mother Ann?? 1851 census (as posed by Erika) shows pob as Drinkstone.....


Name: Ann Chinery
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 Sep 1784
Baptism Place: Drinkstone, Suffolk, England
Father: Isaac Chinery
Mother: Margaret Chinery
FHL Film Number: 887395

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 18:38

I think I have found the grown up Eliza Stannard baptised 1817, so am now convinced Elizabeh Stannard baptised 1809 is the correct Elizabeth, and Eliza c1817 her sister.

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Stannard
Marriage year 1837
Marriage date 24 Jan 1837
Marriage place Stowmarket
Spouse's first name(s) Robert T
Spouse's last name Tricker
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index

Census 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

White Horse, Stowmarket, Stow, Suffolk, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Tricker Male 27 1814 Suffolk, England
Eliza Tricker Female 24 1817 Suffolk, England
Eliza Tricker Female 3 1838 Suffolk, England
Rebecca Tricker Female 2 1839 Suffolk, England

and 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Gipping Street, Stowmarket, Stow, Suffolk, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Tricker Head Married Male 36 1815 Coal Porter Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Eliza Tricker Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Eliza Tricker Daughter - Female 13 1838 Sunday Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Rebecca Tricker Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Edgar Tricker Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Sarah Ann Tricker Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Pammalia Tricker Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Spensler Tricker Son - Male 3 1848 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Catherine Tricker Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
James Hudson Lodger Unmarried Male 37 1814 Rail Porter Rushmere, Suffolk, England
William Dowce Lodger - Male 15 1836 Errand Boy Wattisfield, Suffolk, England

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 Oct 2018 18:21

Possible baptism for Edward/Edwin living in Woolpit......

Name: Edwin Chenery
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1817
Baptism Place: Archdeaconry of Sudbury, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND
Mother: Ann Chenery
FHL Film Number: 951463

Edit: Living with his mother in 1841???? Census posted by Erika on page 1.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 18:18

Thomas Goode and wife Ann nee Pegg in 1841?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Haughley Road, Wetherden, Stow, Suffolk, England

.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Goode Male 70 1771 Suffolk, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ann Goode Female 70 1771 Suffolk, England

As age was rounded down to the nearest 5 years for adults in 1841, could this be his baptism?

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Goode
Birth year 1768
Baptism year 1768
Baptism date 20 Nov 1768
Parish Wetherden, St Mary
Place Wetherden
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) William
Mothers first name(s) Anne
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

and this the marriage of his parents?

MARRIAGE FOR WILLIAM GOODE AND ANNE ANNIS:

First name(s) William
Last name Goode
Marriage year 1755
Marriage date 25 Aug 1755
Marriage place Wetherden
Spouse's first name(s) Anne
Spouse's last name Annis
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 Oct 2018 18:16

This could be the son of Edward & Rebecca.....

Edward Chinnery
in the 1851 England Census

Name: Edward Chinnery
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Chinnery
Gender: Male
Where born: Assington, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Lymington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Lymington
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: General Practitioner of Medicine??

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1666
Folio: 32
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Chinnery 35
Mary Chinnery 36
Edward Chinnery 6
Mary Chinnery 5
Charles Chinnery 1
Annie Chinnery 1 Mo
Eliza Bound 28
Emma Edmunds 23
Ellen Pardy 20


And in 1841 with 2 of his sisters? His occupation is Surgeon.....

Edward Chinery
in the 1841 England Census

Name: Edward Chinery
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Lymington
Hundred: Lymington
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 393
Book: 6
Folio: 85
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hatchard 30
Sarah Ann Hatchard 35
Sarah Ann Hatchard 5
George Kary Hatchard 2
Lydia Hatchard 7 Mo
Lydia Hatchard 25
Ellen Ailes 15
Eliza Neesman 15
Edward Chinery 25
Caroline Chinery 35
Catherine Chinery 20

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 18:10

Probable baptism for Martin Stannard:

First name(s) Martin
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1769
Baptism year 1769
Baptism date 21 Mar 1769
Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary
Place Stowmarket
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) William
Mothers first name(s) Mary
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

Possible marriage for his parents:

First name(s) William
Last name Stannard
Marriage year 1763
Marriage date 18 Oct 1763
Marriage place Stowmarket
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Tideman
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 18:06

Baptisms for children of Martin Stannard and Catherine Parker (Elizabeth 1809 and Eliza 1817 already posted)

First name(s) Martin
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1806
Baptism year 1806
Baptism date 10 Jan 1806
Place Stowmarket
Father's first name(s) Martin
Mother's first name(s) Catharine
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 2)

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1807
Baptism year 1807
Baptism date 06 Aug 1807
Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary
Place Stowmarket
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Martin
Mothers first name(s) Catherine
Notes
late PARKER
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1807
Baptism year 1807
Baptism date 06 Aug 1807
Place Stowmarket
Father's first name(s) Martin
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 2)

irst name(s) Charlotte
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1819
Baptism year 1819
Baptism date 27 Apr 1819
Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary
Place Stowmarket
Relationship Daughter
Father's first name(s) Martin
Mothers first name(s) Catharine
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Stowmarket
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) John
Last name Stannard
Birth year 1821
Baptism year 1821
Baptism date 23 Aug 1821
Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary
Place Stowmarket
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Martin
Mothers first name(s) Catharine
Father's occupation Husbandman
Residence Stowmarket
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 18:02

More baptisms for children of George Goode and Elizabeth Stannard:

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Goode
Birth year 1843
Baptism year 1843
Baptism date 02 Jul 1843
Parish Harleston, St Augustine
Place Harleston
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Harleston
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Robert
Last name Goode
Birth year 1845
Baptism year 1845
Baptism date 17 Aug 1845
Parish Harleston, St Augustine
Place Harleston
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Harleston
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) George Thomas
Last name Goode
Birth year 1847
Baptism year 1847
Baptism date 04 Jul 1847
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Haughley
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

EDIT: George died aged 3:

First name(s) George
Last name Goode
Age 3
Birth year 1847
Death year 1850
Burial year 1850
Burial date 10 May 1850
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Place Haughley
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Goode
Birth year 1850
Baptism year 1850
Baptism date 19 May 1850
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Haughley
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 17:59

Baptisms for children of George Goode and Elizabeth Stannard:

First name(s) Isaac
Last name Goode
Birth year 1832
Baptism year 1832
Baptism date 26 Dec 1832
Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary
Place Stowmarket
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Stowmarket
Notes
father living at Haughley<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Eliza Ann
Last name Goode
Birth year 1834
Baptism year 1834
Baptism date 02 Dec 1834
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Haughley
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Catherine
Last name Goode
Birth year 1838
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 09 Dec 1838
Parish Harleston, St Augustine
Place Harleston
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Harleston
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Alfred
Last name Goode
Birth year 1841
Baptism year 1841
Baptism date 18 Apr 1841
Parish Harleston, St Augustine
Place Harleston
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's occupation Labourer
Residence Harleston
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 17:54

More baptisms for children of Thomas Goode and Ann Pegg:


First name(s) John
Last name Goode
Birth year 1801
Baptism year 1801
Baptism date 27 Dec 1801
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Ann
Notes
bn 26 Nov / late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Isaac
Last name Goode
Birth year 1804
Baptism year 1804
Baptism date 08 Jul 1804
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Ann
Notes
late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Goode
Birth year 1806
Baptism year 1806
Baptism date 03 Aug 1806
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Ann
Notes
bn 9 Jul / late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 17:51

Baptisms for offspring of Thomas Goode and Anne Pegg (son George already posted)

First name(s) Robert
Last name Goode
Birth year 1792
Baptism year 1792
Baptism date 20 Mar 1792
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Anne
Notes
late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

First name(s) Mary
Last name Goode
Birth year 1794
Baptism year 1794
Baptism date 13 Apr 1794
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Daughter
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Anne
Notes
late PEG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Goode
Birth year 1796
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 07 Sep 1796
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Daughter
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Anne
Notes
late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

First name(s) Charles
Last name Goode
Birth year 1799
Baptism year 1799
Baptism date 02 Dec 1799
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mothers first name(s) Ann
Notes
late PEGG
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911

Maddie

Maddie Report 12 Oct 2018 16:35

EDWARD
Last name CHINERY
Marriage year 1807
Marriage day 9
Marriage month Jun
Place BEAULIEU
Groom's first name Edward
Groom's last name Chinery
Bride's first name Rebecca
Bride's last name Warner
Groom's notes -
Bride's notes -
Parish Beaulieu
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Hampshire Genealogical Society

REBECCA
Last name WARNER
Birth year 1785
Baptism year 1785
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Apr
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Jno
Second parent first name(s) Eliza
Parish BEAULIEU
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Oct 2018 16:16

A tree on Ancestry (Beware, not always accurate) says that Rebecca Warner and Edward Chinery married in Beaulieu on 9th June 1807 - by Licence

The date and location would fit with all the rest of the info posted, so it may well be true

The same tree lists her parents as John (1741-1823) and Elizabeth (1743-1803)

John is recorded as having died in Bath, Somerset

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 12 Oct 2018 16:00

Baptism for George Goode? C. 1810 Haughley in census 1851:

First name(s) George
Last name Goode
Birth year 1810
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 10 Jun 1810
Parish Haughley, St Mary
Place Haughley
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) Thomas<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mothers first name(s) Ann<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Notes
late PEGG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Suffolk
Country England
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain


MARRIAGE OF THOMAS GOODE AND ANNE PEGG:

irst name(s) Anne
Last name Pegg
Marriage year 1791
Marriage date 26 Dec 1791
Marriage place Harleston
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Goode
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Oct 2018 15:58


Name Rebecca Chinery
Event Type Obituary
Event Date 15 Jul 1856
Event Place Lewes, Sussex, England, United Kingdom
Event Place Lewes, Sussex, England
Gender Female
Death Date 10 Jul 1856
Spouse's Name Esq Edward Chinery
Spouse's Titles and Terms Esq
Newspaper Sussex Advertiser

Name Rebecca
Event Type Obituary
Event Date 19 Jul 1856
Event Place Norwich, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place Norwich, Norfolk, England
Gender Female
Spouse's Name Esq Edward Chinery
Spouse's Titles and Terms Esq
Newspaper Norfolk Chronicle


Results:
Name: Age at Death (in years):
CHINERY, REBECCA 72
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 131

1851 census
Western Cottages, Brighton, Sussex, England

Rebecca Chenery Head Widow Female 66 1785 Annuitant Beaulieu, Hampshire, England
Catherine Chenery Daughter Unmarried Female 31 1820 - Assington, Suffolk, England
Anna Chenery Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Milford, Suffolk, England
Eliza Hathernwood Servant Unmarried Female 25 1826 House Servant Wormingford, Essex, England
Ann Burnett Servant Unmarried Female 17 1834 House Servant Turners Hill, Sussex, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Oct 2018 15:57

More siblings

Name Catherine Chinery
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Oct 1819
Christening Date (Original) 30 OCT 1819
Christening Place SUFFOLK COUNTY BTS,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
Father's Name Edward Chinery
Mother's Name Rebecca

Name Antoinetta Elizabeth Chinery
Gender Female
Christening Date 11 Nov 1813
Christening Date (Original) 11 NOV 1813
Christening Place ASSINGTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
Father's Name Edward Chinery
Mother's Name Rebecca

Name Rebecca Harriet Chinery
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Sep 1809
Christening Date (Original) 02 SEP 1809
Christening Place Assington, Suffolk, England
Birth Date 1809
Father's Name Edward Chinery
Mother's Name Rebecca Warner***************************BONUS!