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I simply cannot find them in either Ireland or England in 1911

I have the following info, which I have used as the basis for my search

Name: John Joseph Sullivan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1900
Baptism Date: 18 Jan 1900
Baptism Place: Bray, Wicklow, Ireland
Residence Place: Little Bray
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Patrick Sullivan
Mother: Elizabeth Dowd

Patrick and Elizabeth married in Little Bray on 16th Feb 1897

1901 census

Residents of a house 23 in Back Street (Bray Town, Wicklow)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Sullivan James 72 Male Father R C Widowed
Sullivan Pat 24 Male Son R C Married
Sullivan James 20 Male Son R C Single
Sullivan John 17 Male Son R C Single
Sullivan Thomas 15 Male Son R C Single
Dowed Elizabeth 26 Female Wife R C
Sullivan Mary 2 Female Daughter R C
Sullivan John 1 Male Son R C
Byrne John 64 Male Lodger R C
Sweeney George 41 Male Lodger I C

Still definitely in Bray in 1902

Name: Patrick Joseph Sullivan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1902
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1902
Baptism Place: Bray, Wicklow, Ireland
Residence Place: Little Bray
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Patrick Sullivan
Mother: Elizabeth Dowd

Possibly still there in 1904 - IF Patrick Joseph had died, and mother used a 'pet' name

Name: Patrick Sullivan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1904
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1904
Baptism Place: Bray, Wicklow, Ireland
Residence Place: Little Bray
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Patrick Sullivan
Mother: Lilly Dowd

Also Elizabeth Sullivan same DOB and parents

John Joseph married Dorothy Loveday in Swindon in 1926 and is on the 1939 in Swindon

His son (aged 90) is my next-door neighbour and I'm trying to help him to find out what happened to his grandparents.

If anyone can find any of the family in 1911, it will be much appreciated

is this the family in 1901

Record Transcription:
Ireland Census 1901

Elizabeth Dowed Wife Married 26 1875 Dublin
Pat Sullivan Son Married 24 1877 Dublin
James Sullivan Son Single 20 1881 Dublin
John Sullivan Son Single 17 1884 Dublin
Thomas Sullivan Son Single 15 1886 Dublin
John Sullivan Son Single 1 1900 Dublin

Townland/Street Back Street
District electoral division Bray Town
County Wicklow
Religion R C
Mary Sullivan Daughter Single 2 1899 Dublin
James Sullivan Father Widowed 72 1829 Wicklow
John Byrne Lodger Single 64 1837 Wicklow
George Sweeney Lodger Single 41 1860 Meath
John Sullivan's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Yes, thanks - as per my post

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Name: John J Sullivan
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1900
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 112
Residence Place: Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Occupation: Wood Machinist G W R
Schedule Number: 307
Sub Schedule Number: 1

Name: John J Sullivan
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Spouse: Dorothy E Loveday
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 73

Enumeration District: WRKV
Registration district: 240 - 2
Inferred Spouse: Dorothy E Sullivan
Household Members:
Name
John J Sullivan
Dorothy E Sullivan

I am only asking for help in finding them in 1911

As already indicated, I have all the info you are posting

But, thanks anyway

there are 2 deaths for elizabeth sullivan in 1908 and 1909 but i don't have the subs


Elizabeth Sullivan
Ireland, Petty Sessions Court Registers
Name Elizabeth Sullivan
Event Type Court
Event Date 31 Mar 1909
Event Place Wicklow, Ireland
County Wicklow
Role of Individual Complainant
Court Bray
Citing this Record

"Ireland, Petty Sessions Court Registers, 1828-1912," database, FamilySearch

can't see them 1911 sorry

w/o knowing patricks proffession

1911

Patrick
Last name Sullivan
Relationship to head Boarder
Marital status Married
Marital status as transcribed Married
Sex Male
Age 35
Birth year 1876
Birth place Co Wicklow
Occupation Navvy
Townland/Street Roundwood Town (Part Of)
District electoral division Togher
County Wicklow
Country Ireland
Religion R C
Image link
Record set Ireland Census 1911
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Ireland

Patrick was a labourer in 1901, which matches that 1911 - but the majority of men were labourers in those days.

Just a suggestion for the son Thomas :


Thomas Sullivan
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Thomas Sullivan
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son in Law
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Rathnew Town
District: Wicklow Rural
County: Wicklow
Household Members:
Name Age
Aurther Jameson 65
Martha Sullivan 24
Thomas Sullivan 23
Patrick Sullivan 2


Thomas Sullivan
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Thomas Sullivan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec, 1908
Registration district: Rathdrum, Ireland
Volume: 2
Page Number: 853
FHL Film Number: 101261
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Sullivan
Martha Jameson


NOTE the children's names on his army record:

Thomas Sullivan
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Sullivan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Wicklow
Marriage Date: 4 Oct 1908
Marriage Place: St Patrick Wicklow
Age: 19
Document Year: 1905
Regimental Number: 2168
Regiment Name: Army Cyclist Corps
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 6
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Thomas Sullivan Self (Head)
Martha Jameson Spouse
Patrick Sullivan Child
Elizabeth Sullivan Child


His NOK when he joined the Irish Guards in 1905 :

Father: Patrick. Address: Convent Road, Wicklow.
Brother: Patrick (E). Address: [something I can't read] 2/E Lancs Regt.

He was a butcher.
Served in France
Became a Lance Corporal.
Demobbed 1919.

Daughter Elizabeth's name is scored out. "Deceased 4 4/16".

Son Patrick's birth:

Patrick Sullivan
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Patrick Sullivan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909
Registration district: Rathdrum
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 899
FHL Film Number: 101072

another suggestion for 1911:


Both labourers and lodgers among many others at the same address. I've no idea if these two are related to each other or not. If Elizabeth had died, I suppose Patrick was technically single.

Patrick Sullivan
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Patrick Sullivan
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Boarder
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Mullinaveige
District: Togher
County: Wicklow
Household Members:
Name Age
James Sullivan 28

Both born in Co. Dublin, as in 1901 census.

Thank you for your kind help. Certainly something to work on, which is more than I had before

Appreciated.

ArgyllGran has posted above:

"His NOK when he joined the Irish Guards in 1905 :

Father: Patrick. Address: Convent Road, Wicklow.
Brother: Patrick (E). Address: [something I can't read] 2/E Lancs Regt."

The image shows as above re father, Patrick but under it says:
"BrotherS' Partick (E)
+ Michael (E) 2/E Lancs Regt.

Do those brothers fit with 'your' Thomas?

Dea x

I know nothing about Thomas other than the 1901 census.
I don’t think there was a Michael, but will investigate further once NYE is out of the way
Thank you for your interest and assistance