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Ancestors of Eric Haslam

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David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 11:45

Hi

I have the birth certificate for Eric Heslam born 15/6/1899 in Droylsden in the sub district Audenshaw, reg district Ashton under Lyne Lancaster.
His father is on the certificate as William Mason Heslem an Architect and mother Sarah Heslam formerly Marsden.
Eric is on the 1901 census as Eric Haslam a nurse child and on the 1911 census as Eric Haslam a boarder. Family are known as Haslam through to present time.
I am unable to find anything for the Heslam/Haslams prior to the birth of Eric.
It would be great if you can find anything for me
Thanks for looking
Brian

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 11:51

Have you found any possible siblings for him?

Who is his father on his marriage certificate?

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 11:58

Just putting a possible birth of Father:

Births Jun 1882
Haslam William Marson Basford 7b 192

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 12:04

No siblings known or found

He married Elizabeth Wainwright in 1935 Ashton reg district but I havent purchased the marriage certificate

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jan 2019 12:07

Who actually registered the birth?

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 12:11

Just to point out he is with a Joseph Cliffe in 1901 and 1911

1901
Joseph Cliff 47 Droylsden
Margaret Cliff 54 wife
Eric Haslam 1

1911
Mary Ann Andrew 57
Emma Andrew 29
Joseph Cliffe 56 widower Greenside Lane Droylsden
Eric Haslam 11 Greenside Lane Droylsden,

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jan 2019 12:12

No marriage for the parents, as far as I can see at the moment

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 9 Jan 2019 12:33

This record lists Joseph Cliff as his stepfather:


Eric Haslam
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name:
Eric Haslam
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
abt 1899
Enlistment Age:
17
Document Year:
1916
Residence Place:
33 Stanley Street, Edge Lane Droylsden
Name

Relation to Soldier
Eric Haslam Self (Head)
Joseph Cliff Stepfather

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 12:36

Private tree on ancestry has:

William Mason Haslem
Born: 1871 in Lancashire, England, United Kingdom

Contact the tree owner?

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 12:54

Birth was registered by Sarah Haslem (Mother) of 4 Moorside Street, Droylsden

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 13:25

Just for interest, link to Moorside Street:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.4876&lon=-2.1352&layers=168&right=BingHyb

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Jan 2019 13:38

there is a william haslam born 1871 ashton under lyne but he died 1872


there ia a william morton haslam born 1870 EDIT not this one
William Morton Haslam
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Apr 1870
Christening Date (Original) 03 APR 1870
Christening Place , HEAGE, DERBY, ENGLAND
Father's Name George Haslam
Mother's Name Emma
Citing this Record

Name: William Moreton Haslam
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 11
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 177

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 14:00

Tricky one by the looks of it.

I have been trying to find a Joseph Cliffe or Cliffe marriage to a Sarah but cnt find that either :-(

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Jan 2019 14:44

JOSEPH
Last name CLIFF
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1883
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


JOSEPH CLIFF married one of these people

Margaret Wilson
District Ashton under Lyne
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Volume as transcribed 8D
Page number 859

1901
Name: Joseph Cliff
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Margaret Cliff
Birth Place: Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Droylsden
Search Photos: Search for 'Droylsden' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Droylsden St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 3788
Folio: 52
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Cliff 47
Margaret Cliff 54
Eric Haslam 1

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 15:21

Thanks everyone. This is all a little bizarre. It is almost as though William Mason Haslam and Sarah Marsden did not exist

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 16:40

This is the family living in 4 Moorside Street in 1901 - they are cotton weavers or similar:

Jemima Isherwood 41
Samuel Isherwood 19
Elizabeth Isherwood 17
Martha Isherwood 15
James Isherwood 10
Leonard Isherwood 4
Class: RG13; Piece: 3787; Folio: 163; Page: 12

Get his marriage certificate to see who he claims as his father - though it will probably be Joseph Cliff?

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 16:52

I guess what we need is a Wiliam Haslam on the 1901 census who was an Architect or similar.

Speaking to family AGAIN today Eric thought his name was Danny Cliff until he went in the Army and had to apply for his birth certificate. He then found his real birth details. His father apparently deserted Sarah immediately after his birth.
The only thing the family know is that William M Haslam was living in Southport but unsure when. The Cliffs were apparently related to Sarah Marsden and doubt she was married to him.

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 17:23

Have looked for architects - no leads.

Are you sure that: 'The Cliffs were apparently related to Sarah Marsden' (or as sure as can be)?

David

David Report 9 Jan 2019 17:30

They seemed quite sure patchem

patchem

patchem Report 9 Jan 2019 17:47

Joseph Cliff is a widower in 1881 census.

Putting here for now:
Marriages Dec 1880
Child Mary Ann J C Chorlton 8c 995
CLIFF Joseph Chorlton 8c 995
Hesford William Chorlton 8c 995
Marsden Annie Chorlton 8c 995

Though this is a more likely area:
Marriages Dec 1876
CLIFF Joseph Ashton 8d 810
Duffy George Smith Ashton 8d 810
Lilley Moses Ashton 8d 810
NEEDHAM Emma Ashton 8d 810
PLATT Ann Ashton 8d 810