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Wilsons of South Shields more help needed at end

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2020 11:12

1841 for James and family already posted by Catherine (on 11 Jan 2019 @ 10:36) - living in High Felling, Heworth, not South Shields.


Found East King Street in 1841 after all!
Here's Sarah and family at 28 East King Street:

Sarah Wilson
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Wilson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 28 East King Street
Occupation:
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Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: Westoe
Neighbors:
Piece: 298
Book: 5
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wilson 55 - schoolmaster
Sarah Wilson 75
Sarah Wilson 40
Sarah Wilson 20
Mary Wilson 20


The enumerator seems to have only written the house number for a few of the households.
The one between 28 and 30 isn't numbered, but I assume it's 29.

Only one occupant:
Margaret Hunter, 40, FS, born in county.

Mistranscribed as Hanker on Ancestry:

Margaret Hanker
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Margaret Hanker
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: (29 ?) East King Street
Occupation:
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Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: Westoe
Neighbors:
Piece: 298
Book: 5
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Hanker 40

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 1 Dec 2020 21:16

All the addresses I have say East King St. Needless to say, the Wilsons use the same names....

For instance, I have Sarah W, relict of Samuel Wilson died in 1847 at the home of her son in law William Wilson on East King St.. We think that William Wilson is another family, he married Mary, James' sister.
And in 1851 census James Wilson lived at 29 East King St with his family, as listed above.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Dec 2020 20:57

What are the first names of these Wilsons, please? That would make it easier to find them, potentially.

However, having said that, in 1841 there is East Street and there's King Street, following each other on the census record, and no house numbers for either of them. No East King Street, as far as I can see.

One Wilson family on East Street:

Dorothy Wilson
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Dorothy Wilson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
Neighbors:
Piece: 297
Book: 17
Folio: 37
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Chisholm 40
John Chisholm 15
Elizabeth Chisholm 11
Dorothy Wilson 20
Margaret Wilson 11
George Wilson 1


One on King Street:

Thomas Wilson
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Wilson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: South Shields
Sub-registration District: South Shields
Neighbors:
Piece: 297
Book: 17
Folio: 39
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wilson 50
Jane Wilson 50
Jane Wilson 25
Mary Wilson 20
Anne Wilson 20
Eliza Wilson 15
Hannah Wilson 15

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 1 Dec 2020 19:38

So we've found several other Wilsons who may be related. A number of records give residences of East King St, South Shields, some at 28, some at 29, but we believe these families to be related.
The family at no 29 seem to have lived there for many years, at least from 1811 to 1847. The family at no 28 came a bit later.

Is anyone here able to see the original censuses for 1841 and 51 for both addresses please? Also I need to establish the relationships of the families.

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 23 Oct 2019 17:35

Thanks, I do have notes about these.

His sis and brother emigrated to Australia, and a 'cousin' from there has William dying in a riding accident or somesuch, so I'm just checking through all my records again just in case.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Oct 2019 17:27

~Well, maybe that's not his death above.

The 1851 census (posted above by Maddie) says he was single in 1851.

So presumably this isn't his marriage - another man of the same name ???:

William Preston Wilson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Preston Wilson
Registration Year: 1849
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Auckland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 24
Page: 21
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Dickinson
William Henderson
Elizabeth Hird
John Howe
Robert Littlefair
Elizabeth Patterick
Thomas Forster Williams
Margaret Williamson
William Preston Wilson ,


EDIT:

the one who married in 1849 and died in 1909 will be this man:

Name: William Preston Wilson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 02 Feb 1824
Christening Date (Original): 02 FEB 1824
Christening Place: HELSINGTON,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Wilson
Mother's Name: Jane

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Oct 2019 17:23

???

William Preston Wilson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Preston Wilson
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Chester le Street
tInferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 301

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 23 Oct 2019 17:15

Charles oldest brother was William Preston Wilson. He was baptised 26.3.1828 at St Hilda's South Shields.
I have him up to the 1851 census, he was a bank clerk.

Can anyone find anything else more up to date about him please?

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 11 Jan 2019 19:04

Thanks everyone, some useful info there.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jan 2019 12:09

The "Margaret" was wrecked in the Bay of Biscay on 29/11/1877.

16 men drowned that day (per Ancestry), and apparently others died the following day or later.

Details and news reports here:

https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?186710

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Jan 2019 11:29

does,nt give fathers name
James
Last name Wilson
Sex Male
Marriage year 1827
Marriage date 12 May 1827
Place Jarrow
Description St. Paul
Spouse first name(s) Winifred
Spouse last name McDonald
Groom's first name(s) James
Groom's last name Wilson
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Winifred
Bride's last name McDonald
Bride's parish -
County Durham
Country England
Record set Northumberland And Durham Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

????????
Name: James Wilson
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: South Shields
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 272

could this be james, he named a daughter isabella

James William
Last name Wilson
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1794
Baptism date 07 Dec 1794
Place South Shields
County Durham
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wilson
Mother's first name(s) Isabella
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Maddie

Maddie Report 11 Jan 2019 11:24

1851
Name: James Wilson
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Winfield Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 2399
Folio: 172
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 55
Winfield Wilson 45
William P Wilson 23
Sarah Wilson 18
Winfied Wilson 13
Mary Wilson 11
Joseph Wilson 9
Isabella M Wilson 4
Charles Wilson 2 :-D

1861
in the 1861 England Census
View 1861 England Census

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Name: Winifred Wilson
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: 1807
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Chirdon
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: North Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 3838
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Winifred Wilson 54
Sarah E Wilson 27
Winifred Wilson 23
Mary Wilson 21
Isabella M Wilson 16

1871
Name: Winifred Wilson
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: Little Holbeck
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Holbeck
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 4520
Folio: 91
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Robt C Strangeways 39
Sarah Eliz Strangeways 38
Jane Strangeways 3
Thomas Strangeways 2
James W Strangeways 3 Months
Winifred Wilson 64

Name: Winifred Wilson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Tynemouth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 199

Catherine

Catherine Report 11 Jan 2019 10:36

1841
Name: James Wilson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Hundred: Chester (East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Solicitor
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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Heworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 297
Book: 5
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 40
Winefred Wilson 30
Wm Wilson 13
Sarrah Wilson 8
James Wilson 5
Winifred Wilson 3
Mary Wilson 1
Jane Robson 16

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2019 09:31

The fact that you can’t find a Will for James online doesn’t necessarily mean there wasn’t one, merely that it didn’t go to Probate.

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 11 Jan 2019 08:22

Thank you everyone. Very helpful. Sarah Wilson was my ggrandma, I have a photo of her, she lived to be 91 or so.

The father James Wilson is a bit of a mystery, though he was a solicitor he doesn;t seem to have a will. I cannot properly identify his parents either.

I have lots of info about James's wife Winifred McDonald and her ancestry.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jan 2019 03:10

His father was a solicitor
James Wilson
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Winfield Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 2399
Folio: 172
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 55
Winfield Wilson 45
William P Wilson 23
Sarah Wilson 18
Winfied Wilson 13
Mary Wilson 11
Joseph Wilson 9
Isabella M Wilson 4
Charles Wilson 2
Mary A Anderson 21 servant

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jan 2019 03:07

He doesn't seem to have marriad
Charles Harris Wilson
Death Date: 29 Nov 1877
Death Place: Northumberland, England
Probate Date: 13 Feb 1878
Registry: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

Reads
Late of 14 Grantley street Whitney .BATCHELOR !! Master mariner who died at sea 29nov1877 . Probate granted to Winifred Wilson 14 Grantley street widow the mother and only next of kin

So seems he lived with his mum

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 11 Jan 2019 00:00

Many thanks for that, how sad.

safc

safc Report 10 Jan 2019 23:47



Year of birth: 1848
First name(s) Charles Harris
Last name Wilson
Age 29
Birth year 1848
Death year 1877
Death place Margaret
Death date 29 Nov 1877
Burial year -
Type At Sea
Occupation Master
Residence 26 Winchester St, S Shields
Place -
County -
Country At Sea
War -
Source Registers Of Deaths At Sea
Records year range 1877-1879
Document type Deaths
Archive reference BT 159/2
Page 59
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


he drowned
margaret is the name of the ship

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 10 Jan 2019 23:21

Can anyone help me find out what happened to him please?

Born 1848 South Shields, bapt St Hildas.1851 census Westoe with family. Has gained a number of certs for sailing, the latest I've found 1873 Masters cert.
I appear to have a marriage, but not sure about it.