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I'm going to buy some more credits and will have a look at the 1917 Annie Kelly, as far as the others are concerned it will be up to my neighbour to choose which certificates to buy.

I had a thought - Peter Snr's first wife was named as Mary Carr, I wonder if it should have been Kerr. I'll do a bit of digging around that next. Still doesn't explain where Margaret Allison is hiding though.

One of these?


Surname Forename Gender Year Ref RD Name Image View
KELLY
ANNIE
F
1917
672/ 259
Uphall

KELLY
ANNIE
F
1919
672/ 224
Uphall

KELLY
ANNIE
F
1919
672/ 223
Uphall

Maurice was born 1917 so his mother would have been Annie Scullion.

Peter Kelly Snr was living at 5 Cardross Rd when he died, he had a son Peter, but Peter Jnr survived the war (1918-1989). It must have been a very frightening time for them though.

I haven't heard of Maurice before, so that's a new one to add to the tree, thank you so much for spending your time on this. My neighbour will be delighted :) He must have been born about 1913, I'll see if I can find him too. Its a pity you can't search Scotland's People like you can FreeBMD, with surname and mother's maiden name to find all births.

This death may be worth looking at to see the mother's maiden name. I think she may be Margaret's sister.


Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Year Ref RD Name Image View
HAMILL
ANNIE
74
1962
667/ 14
Kirkliston

Looks like these little snippets from the newspapers are connected?


BROXBURN NAVY MAN MISSING. Word has been received by Mr and Mrs Peter Kelly, 5 Cardross Road, Broxburn, that their son, Able Seaman Peter Kelly 21 years of age. has been posted missing on war service.
07 June 1940 - Linlithgowshire Gazette - Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotlan


APPEALS (for news of people missing during the war ??)
Kelly, Pte. Maurice 2nd Royal Scots, Osaka, Japan.—Mrs Kelly, 5 Cardross Rd., Broxburn.
23 December 1945 - Sunday Post - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland



This appears to be Maurice's death:

Private KELLY, MAURICE
Service Number 3055718
Died Between 01/10/1942 and 02/10/1942
Aged 29

2nd Bn.
Royal Scots
Son of Peter Kelly, and of Annie Kelly, of Broxburn, West Lothian, Scotland.

Commemorated at SAI WAN MEMORIAL
Location: China, (including Hong Kong)
Number of casualties: 2074
Cemetery/memorial reference: Column 12.

Dea x

Lair is just another word for plot when referring to graves.

Scotlandspeople is not a subscription site, you need to buy credits. Anything I've found there is using the free search facility. I'm also looking on FindMyPast.

The above marriage is from the Irish genealogy site.

Warming up a little now! The Elizabeth living at Shine Place was with James HAMILL and his wife Annie. This is their marriage

JAMES HAMILL
Party 2 Name ANNIE KELLY
Date of Event 13 August 1913
Group Registration ID 1762843
SR District/Reg Area Belfast


Both were of full age and Annie's father is listed as PETER KELLY, a labourer. So we now have a possible area in Ireland to look at.

What does "lair" refer to? Sounds like a sort of crypt.

If you have a subscription to Scotland's People, would you be able to have a look at this for me? Otherwise, I'll buy some credits:

KELLY ANNIE : F : 1917 : 672/ 259 : Uphall

I had been looking for Annie Kelly's birth in Edinburgh, but of course she more likely would have been born in Broxburn, where Margaret lived.

Elizabeth B Kelly was maybe just lodging at 28 Shrine Place?

HAMEL
JAMES
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 28 SHRINE PLACE BROXBURN
UPHALL
1925
VR012200038-

This doesn't help any. I was hoping that Peter would have been the lair holder having bought it for his first wife.

First name(s) Peter
Last name Kelly
Age 80
Birth year 1866
Residence 5 Cardross Road, Broxburn
Occupation -
Death year 1946
Death date 19 April 1946
Burial year 1946
Burial place Uphall
County Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)
Interment date 22 April 1946
Interment number 8138
Section D
Lair 172
Additional information Opening Lair. Lairholder Annie Scullion, 18 Stewartfield, Broxburn
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland, Edinburgh & Lothian Death And Burial Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
© West Lothian Family History Society

I have already had a reply from the Kelly I contacted via Ancestry, she said she will pass my enquiry on to the Kelly FB group to see if they can help.

I've also found birth of Peter Kelly junior in Broxburn, and death in Newington, Edinburgh - which is also where his half-sister Margaret died.

Its starting to come together.

Margaret's marriage cert:
http://prntscr.com/mi53tw

Peter's death cert:
http://prntscr.com/mi53g1

On the marriage certificate of John Wilson Muir and Margaret Kelly in 1923, the bride's parents are shown as Peter Kelly and Margaret nee Allison (deceased).

Bride lived at 71 Holygate, Broxburn, groom at 70 Holygate.

Witnesses: James Kelly, Clifton Buildings, Broxburn, and Elizabeth B Kelly, 28 Shrine Place, Broxburn

The house at 71 Holygate, Broxburn, was owned by Broxburn Oil Company, which ties in with the occupation of Oil Works Labourer (Retired) on Peter's death certificate. The death certificate shows he had 2 wives: 1 Mary Carr, 2. Annie Scullion. Informant was Peter Kelly, son, with an address in Edinburgh.

I've found marriage between Peter Kelly and Annie Scullion in Broxburn in 1916; no trace of either Margaret Allison or Mary Carr, nor death of either Margaret Kelly or Mary Kelly. On another family tree on Ancestry (owner's name Kelly) it shows Peter junior as son of Anne Scullion, born 1918, died 1989, but so far I have found no trace of him either. I've mailed the tree owner to see if she has any more information,but judging from what little was on her tree I doubt she'll be able to help much.

I feel as if I'm going round in never decreasing circles.

Not that it helps but posting as I find.


Scotland, Edinburgh & Lothian Death And Burial Index
First name(s) Annie
Last name Scullion/kelly
Age 91
Birth year 1878
Residence St Joseph'S Home, 43 Gilmour Place, Edinburgh
Occupation -
Death year 1969
Death date 09 January 1969
Burial year 1969
Burial place Uphall
County Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)
Interment date 11 January 1969
Interment number 1368
Section D
Lair 172
Depth 3
Additional information Opening, Lairholder Is Deceased, Lair Closed
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland, Edinburgh & Lothian Death And Burial Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
© West Lothian Family History Society

They are all referring to the same person. In Scotland, a death is indexed under all known surnames that the person has used. In the example above Kerr is the mother's maiden surname. On closer inspection, the lady above had married a Kelly so Kelly is not her maiden name.

Do you have the addresses of the witnesses from Margaret's marriage certificate. I'm thinking that if they were relatives, it may we worth trying to find out how they were related. Siblings, cousins etc. We really need to try to find the family on either the 1901 or 1911 census.

I don't understand what that refers to - what is Kerr? Did they all die in 1979 aged 90? I don't know if the witness was married or single.

Maybe clutching at straws here but I wonder if this is the Elizabeth who was a witness at Margaret's marriage.


DUPRE
ELIZABETH
90
KERR
1979
708/ 7
Uphall

KELLY
ELIZABETH
90
KERR
1979
708/ 7
Uphall

SOMMERVILLE
ELIZABETH
90
KERR
1979
708/ 7
Uphall


EDIT

No forget that one Kelly was her married name.

The house at 71 Holygate, Broxburn, was owned by Broxburn Oil Company, which ties in with the occupation of Oil Works Labourer (Retired) on his death certificate.

I am doing this research for my neighbour, who was Annie Kelly Muir Harrington's daughter. She registered the death, unknowingly using the wrong name - birth date of 3 September is right, but she wasn't sure of the year. My neighbour, Anne, knew virtually nothing at all about her mother's past, and so I am trying to help her. She remembers that her mother lived in the Edinburgh area until she married and moved south, and that her mother's mother lived for a time with a grandmother in Broxburn. She thought there was an Irish connection.

She knew her mother had a number of siblings, so far I have found references in the electoral rolls to Elizabeth, Margaret, James, Joseph, John and Dennis - all names she remembered.

I have bought some credits for Scotland's People, which is how I got the information from the John Wilson Muir/Margaret Kelly marriage certificate: I'm not sure what is the best record to look at next, as I don't want to use the credits unnecessarily if I can avoid it.

I have found the Annie Scullion marriage record, but can't find anything for Mary Carr. She seems to be as illusive as Margaret Allison.

I don't think any records for Glasgow can be correct, but thanks for looking. I'll have a look at the 1971 Newington reference.

Many thanks once again,

Jan