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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Apr 2019 17:35

Ah well!!!

I didn't have time to search deeply last night!

But at least, I/we have ruled out that one.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Apr 2019 11:45

I agree:

Skircoat Green is very close to Halifax.

In 1861 census he's married to Martha, but they seem to have separated. In 1871 Martha is married but not with Thomas, who's in Halifax, with a lodger.
In 1881 she's calling herself unmarried, and living with the above Harriet and Harriet's husband Charles and family.



Name spelled Leuty on GRO:

Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
Leuty Thomas 74 Halifax 9a 316

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Apr 2019 11:45

Just a wee snippit mentioning Thomas and an Allcock boy.

"...Bennington, and was killed on Friday afternoon by being run over. It appeared from the evi- dence that George Dolby and Thomas Luty, labourers, in the employ of Mr. Brown, Long Bennington, came to Newark on Friday with three carts, one of which the deceased..."
22 November 1867 - Nottinghamshire Guardian - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

It appears that 11 year old Frankish Allcock had been driving one of the carts. Before leaving Newark, they had stopped at the Ten Bells, Cartergate and had 4 pints of ale between them. The young lad also had some and was 'excited'. Upon reaching the Queen public house in Balderton they were all walking towards it when a gig approached and the 2 older men ran to move their carts out the way. The young lad was behind and was skipping away but when the other men looked back he was on the ground dying from a fractured skull and internal injuries. No one saw what happened to him but the elder men were described as 'not being drunk.'

VERDICT Accidentally killed.



Thomas jnr's death notice.

NEWARK Sept. 2, the Hospital, Thomas son of Thomas Luty, 17.


04 September 1885 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire,

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Apr 2019 10:52

Nice try Sylvia but I think this is probably that Thomas. Julie's Thomas has well and truly disappeared. Personally, I think he's changed his name.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Skircoat Green Road, Skircoat, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Harriet Stewart Head Widow Female 45 1846 Charwoman Yorkshire, England
Harry Stewart Son Married Male 24 1867 Agricultural Labourer Yorkshire, England
Emma Stewart Daughter - Female 19 1872 Worsted Spinner Yorkshire, England
William Mellor Stewart Son Single Male 16 1875 Cabinet Maker Yorkshire, England
Arthur Stewart Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Thomas Luty Grandfather Widower Male 66 1825 - Yorkshire, England

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 22 Apr 2019 00:00

?????????????????????????

Birth is 2 years out, but the people reporting may not have known?????

England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Luty
Gender Male
Marital status Unknown
Occupation -
Event year 1899
Birth year 1825
Age at death 74y
Burial year 1899
Burial date 23 Feb 1899
Burial place Salterhebble, York, England
Residence Skircoat Green
Place Salterhebble
County Yorkshire
Country England
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain

Julie

Julie Report 21 Apr 2019 16:45

Thanks safc, I think this is Thomas' mother as the Long Bennington burial reg has Ann inserted as if omitted, although she was otherwise always just Elizabeth.

safc

safc Report 21 Apr 2019 14:51

hi
if this is thomas' mother you could buy the cert to see who signed it,
thomas might of.

Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
LUTY Elizabeth Ann 84 Newark 7b 237

Julie

Julie Report 21 Apr 2019 14:11

Just to round things up with Jane Burrows, I have now traced her on all the census data after her first marriage and the following seems to be her story. Having married Thomas Luty in 1855, the couple separated around 1868. In 1871 she resided with George Allcock in Newark. She married him at the register office on 15 May 1873. However, he died suddenly on 2 Jan 1877. She then married William Watson in late 1880. They are together on the 1881 census. William died in 1886. On the 1891 census she has William Booth residing with her as a "lodger", they married 26 Jan 1896. Jane died in 1907, William died in 1910. First husband Thomas Luty is still a mystery, but it seems likely that he died sometime between the 1871 census and Jane's marriage to George Allcock in May 1873, I haven't managed to find a death regn & there is no burial in his home parish of Long Bennington. The fact that the marriage to George was reported in the Lincolnshire press would I think have alerted someone who knew her to a bigamous marriage, had that been the case.

If anyone can trace Thomas Luty's death to round things off?

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 22:22

Thanks alviegal, either she was a naughty girl, or Thomas Luty died between the 1871 census and her marriage in 1873 allowing the couple to wed legally. Another marriage cert or register fiche to view I think.

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2019 22:09

Think this is Jane's second marriage.

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name ALCOCK
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1873
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


GEORGE ALCOCK married one of these people

Susan Hill, Jane Luty
District Newark

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Register-office, Newark, on the l5th inst., Mr. Charles Moore, to Miss Sophia Armstrong; also, Mr. Geo. Alcock, to Mrs. Jane Luty.


23 May 1873 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England



On the 2nd inst., at Crossguns yard, Newark, very suddenly, George Alcock, aged 33 years.


Nottinghamshire Guardian 12 January 1877



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Then her third.


England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) JANE
Last name ALCOCK
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1880
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


JANE ALCOCK married one of these people

William Richard Carter, William Watson
District Newark
District number -
County Nottinghamshire

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 22:07

Thanks for your efforts ArgyllGran,. It appears Jane may have been a bit of a lass, having looked at the 1871 census she was living with a George Adcock, with no relationship to him as head of the household shown. If the marriage Jane Watson/William Booth is her, (I'd lay good odds it is) she's either married very quickly after William Watson's death, or had already split with him. Unfortunately the transcript for the marriage from the church marriage register on FMP doesn't show martial status or fathers names, need to get sight of a cert. or fiche of the register. I can only assume Thomas went abroad, or his name is so badly transcribed on census data that he's well hidden and/or his death regn is mis-transcribed - unless someone else can manage to track him down.

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2019 21:56

Not helping with your query, but there was also another daughter who sadly died as an infant.


LUTY, LUCY BURROWS
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 320

LUTY, LUCY 0
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 213


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 21:15

I'm afraid I can't see any sign of your Thomas anywhere after 1871.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 20:04

You mentioned a Thomas with a wife Martha, who emigrated.

This is that couple in 1880.

Thomas Luty
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 59
Birth Date: Abt 1821
Birthplace: England
Home in 1880: Ogden, Weber, Utah, USA
Street: Smith
House Number: 208
Dwelling Number: 348
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Martha Luty
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Night Watch
Cannot Read: Yes
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Luty 59
Martha Luty 56
Edward L. Luty 25
Martha J. Luty 19

Son Edward's death record gives his mother's maiden surname as Shore.
Both parents born England.

BUT the daughter Martha was born in Utah in 1861 (per the 1880 census) - so this is not your Thomas.

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 19:38

Thanks for the extra info, looks like the couple split some time after Thomas was conceived. .

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:24

Jane and young Thomas in 1871 - Jane calling herself unmarried:


Thomas Luty
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Jane Luty
Gender: Male
Where born: Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Newark on Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Newark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 3541
Folio: 66
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Luty 35
Thomas Luty 3

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 19:24

Looks like you have sorted out Jane for me ArgyllGran.Many thanks.
Can anyone have the same joy with Thomas?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:20

What you are assuming is an 1868 Luty/Burrows marriage is the birth record for young Thomas Luty.

Sorry, I should have marked it as a birth. Will do so now - although it does say "mms Burrows" as an indication..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:18

???

Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
BOOTH Jane 71 Newark 7b 347

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:17

Then another marriage ???

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Booth William Newark 7b 512
Watson Jane Newark 7b 512


Jane Booth
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Jane Booth
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Booth
Birth Place: Long Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Newark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Newark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 3198
Folio: 157
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Booth 63
Jane Booth 65