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Graham

Graham Report 26 Apr 2019 12:54

Hi
I am hoping that you might be able to help with my Simmons family.
Sadly I am finding very little.
Ernest Jacob Simmons was born 17th June 1894 Rochester to Alice Simmons a Trouser Finisher. No father on the birth certificate.
Ernest married May Smith reg JFM 1917 Medway Reg District
Died 1979 Chatham District,
I found also the 1939 register but no 1901 or 1911 censuses so struggling to find his mom Alice anywhere.
Grateful for any help
:-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2019 13:02

???

Ernest Simmons
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ernest Simmons
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Malling, Kent, England
Civil Parish: West Malling
Ecclesiastical parish: West Malling St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Malling
Sub-registration district: Aylesford
ED, institution, or vessel: Malling Union Workhouse
Neighbors:
Piece: 743
Folio: 103
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 1


EDIT:

No, that's this child;

Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
Simmons Ernest Malling 2a 680

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:09

I am wondering about this, not that it seems right but Jacob features and it's not a terribly common name and the children's births seem to be in varying surnames?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Rochester Nags Head Lane, Rochester St Margaret Intra, Medway, Kent, England

Jacob Jones Head Married Male 42 1859 Coal Porter Labourer Rochester, Kent, England
Alice Jones Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Rochester, Kent, England
George Jones Son Single Male 13 1888 Scholar Rochester, Kent, England
Ellen Jones Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Scholar Rochester, Kent, England
Ernest Jones Son Single Male 6 1895 Scholar Rochester, Kent, England
Jacob Jones Son Single Male 4 1897 - Rochester, Kent, England
Christopher Jones Son Single Male 0 1901 - Rochester, Kent, England



SIMMONS, JACOB JONES
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 608

SIMMONS, CHRISTOPHER -
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 667

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:10

There doesn't seem to be a marriage of Jacob Jones to Alice?

greyghost

greyghost Report 26 Apr 2019 13:13

???

Original says married 25 years - 10 children born, 8 still living.

Note occupation of Alice.

Not seeing a marriage

1911 Census For England & Wales
3 Nags Head Lane Rochester, Rochester St Margaret, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jacob Jones Head Married Male 52 1859 General Labourer Middlesex Brentford
Alice Jones Wife Married Female 46 1865 Trouser Finisher Kent Rochester
Ellen Elizabeth Jones Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Trouser Finisher Kent Rochester
Ernest Jones Son Single Male 17 1894 Dockyard Rope Works Kent Rochester
Jacob Jones Son Single Male 15 1896 Boy Labourer Kent Rochester
Christopher Jones Son Single Male 10 1901 School Kent Rochester
Annie Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1905 School Kent Rochester
Alice Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1905 School Kent Rochester
Rachel Jones Daughter Single Female 3 1908 - Kent Rochester
Betsey Jones Daughter Single Female 0 1911 - Kent Rochester

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:13

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)

Jones Jacob Simmons Medway 2a 1567
Simmons Alice L Jones Medway 2a 1567

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:13

1911 gives married 25 years?


1911 Census For England & Wales
3 Nags Head Lane Rochester, Rochester St Margaret, Kent, England


Jacob Jones Head Married Male 52 1859 General Labourer Middlesex Brentford
Alice Jones Wife Married Female 46 1865 Trouser Finisher Kent Rochester
Ellen Elizabeth Jones Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Trouser Finisher Kent Rochester
Ernest Jones Son Single Male 17 1894 Dockyard Rope Works Kent Rochester
Jacob Jones Son Single Male 15 1896 Boy Labourer Kent Rochester
Christopher Jones Son Single Male 10 1901 School Kent Rochester
Annie Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1905 School Kent Rochester
Alice Jones Daughter Single Female 6 1905 School Kent Rochester
Rachel Jones Daughter Single Female 3 1908 - Kent Rochester
Betsey Jones Daughter Single Female 0 1911 - Kent Rochester


JONES, BETSY EVA SIMMONDS
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 736

JONES, RACHEL SIMMONS
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 784

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:16

A very late marriage?


Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)

Jones Jacob Simmons Medway 2a 1567
Simmons Alice L Jones Medway 2a 1567

Deaths Dec 1944 (>99%)
Jones Jacob 85 Chatham 2a 1323

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:17

JONES, RACHEL (MMN) SIMMONS
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 784

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:18

1939 Mason Household (4 People)
46 Featherby Road , Gillingham M.B., Kent, England

Jacob Jones 06 Jan 1859 Male General Labourer Retired Widowed 179 3

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:20

1871

Name: Jacob Jones
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: Jacob Jones
Mother's name: Rachel Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 1318
Folio: 169
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Jones 49
Rachel Jones 44
Cristopher Jones 13
Jacob Jones 11
Rachel Jones 7
William Brooker 50

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:21

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
CROWHURST Phebe Brentford 3a 117
Harris Eliza Brentford 3a 117
JOHNSON Charles Brentford 3a 117
Jones Jacob Brentford 3a 117

Crowhurst married Johnson

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:26

1939 - living with his daughter

46 Featherby Road , Gillingham M.B., Kent, England


Jacob Jones 06 Jan 1859 Male General Labourer Retired Widowed 179 3
Rachel Mason 20 Feb 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 179 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Harold S Mason 29 Dec 1903 Male Stoker Petty Officer R N Ck 65693 Married 179 4

Rambling

Rambling Report 26 Apr 2019 13:26

Possible death Alice? a little bit out

Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%)

Jones Alice L 54 Medway 2a 1125

Graham

Graham Report 26 Apr 2019 13:29

Thank you
So Ernest Jacob Simmons is named Jones on the 1911 census - the surname of his step father to be?
So I am looking to follow the line of Alice Simmons born about 1865 Rochester or do I presume that Jacob Jones was the father?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:33

Never assume is the golden rule, although in this case, the child's second name does give a pretty hefty clue.

And Jacob was apparently already married...................as per my posts

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2019 13:34

Possible children of the first marriage - would need to be verified, as the surnames are common.

JONES, ANNIE HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 90
JONES, SARAH HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 95

Can't as yet see Jacob in 1891

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2019 13:46

??


Alice Simmons
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Simmons
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Strood
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 25 Temple Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: North Aylesford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 882
Folio: 90
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Powell 26 - head
Edith Powell 4 - niece
Alice Simmons 13, scholar
Elizabeth Simmons 11 - Rochester, scholar
James Simmons 96 - boarder, widower, pensioner, Rochester


???

Alice Simmons
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Alice Simmons
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Simmons
Mother's name: Frances A Simmons
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 902
Folio: 40
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
George Simmons 34
Frances A Simmons 32
Fanny Simmons 5
Florence Simmons 3
Alice Simmons 2
Elizabeth Simmons 10 Months
James Simmons 84
Elizabeth Simmons 5

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2019 13:52

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Matty Frances Ann *il N. Aylesford 2a 455
Simmons George N. Aylesford 2a 455

Frances's name on the marriage record is Frances Ann Savil Matty.

SIMMONS, ALICE LOUISA mms MATTE
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 447

SIMMONS, ELIZABETH HETTY mms MATTEY
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 435

SIMMONS, FLORENCE ALICE mms MATTEY
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 381


Daughter Fanny ??

SIMMONS, FRANCES ANN mms MATTEY
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 460

Graham

Graham Report 26 Apr 2019 13:55

Thank you for all of this.. very much appreciated