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Dea

Dea Report 2 May 2019 08:14

Re your question above as to who lived at Poltimore House/Manor.

Apparently until 1920 it was occupied by the Bampfylde family :


1911 Census For England & Wales

Poltimore Park Poltimore Exeter, Poltimore, Devon, England
First name(s) Coplestone Richard George Warwick Baron
Last name Poltimore
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 51
Birth year 1860
Birth place Devon Poltimore Park
Occupation Peer Of The Realm
Street Poltimore Park
Address Poltimore Park Poltimore Exeter
Parish Poltimore
NB - his name was actually Bamfylde - he was 'Baron Poltimore'...

Also living there was his brother:

First name(s) Francis Warwick
Last name Bampfylde Honble (Honble probably is his title - Honorable ??)
Relationship Brother
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Age 26
Birth year 1885
Birth place Middlesex 77 Eaton Square London
Occupation No Occupation

There was also 1 visitor and around 16 servants - none of them was Bessie.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 2 May 2019 07:50

Good morning.

It has taken me nearly an hour but I have found his birth at last with the mmn Lennard !!

Had found:

EBDON, MARK LENNARD
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION Volume 10 Page 240

EBDON, MAHALA MARY LENNARD
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in ST THOMAS UNION Volume 10 Page 239

EBDON, WILLIAM THOMAS LENNARD
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in ST THOMAS Volume 05B Page 47

Not on GRO ??? - BUT :
Births Jun 1860 *****
EBDON John Henry St Thomas 5b 46


Bingo !!! - It was mistranscribed on GRO as :

ELDON, JOHN HENRY LENNARD
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in SAINT THOMAS Volume 05B Page 46

Will now take a look at the rest of the thread.............

Dea x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 May 2019 04:30

This is the death of Ralph Dunn, age 1 on the 1921 Census


Event Type:
Death
Registration Number:
1994-09-021286
Event Date (YYYY-MM-DD):
1994-10-29
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Age at Death:
74
Person:
RALPH ST CLAIR DUNN
Vital Stat Images(s):
DTH_1994021286.jpg
DTH_1994021286M.jpg


image of death certificate at .........

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/ef47bc59-7b87-4ab0-a062-643f2d71b483

amended version of certificate ..........

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/e1481a26-c3f2-4316-8c8c-679f71d9876e

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 May 2019 04:27


The 1921 Census says Frank Vivian Dunn was 46, that equates to a birth year ca 1875.

A Family Tree on Ancestry has Frank Vivian Dunn born 6 September 1874, Bridgewater, Somerset. His family emigrated to Canada ca 1882.

He seems to have died in 1958, and is buried in Mountain View Cemetery, Vancouver ..........

from Mountain View Cemetery site ............

Google:- Vancouver, British Columbia, Mountain View Cemetery Index, 1887-2007

He was married before Dorothy ............

Marriage 1 November 1903, Windermere, British Columbia, to Annie Mary Welford.

But was shown as Widowed on the 1911 Canadian Census


His WW1 records and censuses, etc can be accessed at

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/Pages/a-z-index.aspx#w


from the site ............

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy

Event Type:
Death
Registration Number:
1958-09-013412
BC Archives Mfilm Number:
B13239
GSU Mfilm Number:
2033180
Event Date (YYYY-MM-DD):
1958-12-07
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Age at Death:
88
Person:
VIVIEN FRANK DUNN
Vital Stat Images(s):
004437867_02451.jpg

you can see the image of his death certificate here .........

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/62921819-6bfb-4957-937c-b045be9e3b2c


Buried in the same grave with Vivien Frank at Mountain View Cemetery was the following, died in 1931. Possible his mother????


Event Type:
Death
Registration Number:
1931-09-454570
BC Archives Mfilm Number:
B13142
GSU Mfilm Number:
1952653
Event Date (YYYY-MM-DD):
1931-06-19
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Age at Death:
86
Person:
CHARLOTTE ELIZA DUNN




yes .............. the copy of his marriage certificate shows his father as Frank S Dunn and mother as Charlotte Eliza Dunn

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/afa8b63b-0c08-46df-be7d-ac6d0b0d88a6

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 May 2019 03:20

Dorothy's marriage from Freebmd, if you don't have this record

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
Dunn Vivian F Ebdon Hartley W. 2c 442
Ebdon Dorothy F Dunn Hartley W. 2c 442

Hartley W = Hartley Wintney, and is in Hampshire

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 2 May 2019 02:25

Dorothy & husband (also using middle name) in 1921, It says he emigrated 1884. Wonder how they met?
Edit: He was a Canadian soldier in WW1 where his name is listed as Vivian Frank.


Dorothy Dunn
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name:
Dorothy Dunn
Gender:
Female
Marital status:
Married
Age:
22
Birth Year:
abt 1899
Birth Place:
England
Relation to Head of House:
Wife
Spouse's name:
Vivian Dunn
Father Birth Place:
England
Mother Birth Place:
England
Year of Immigration:
1919
Racial or Tribal Origin:
English
Province or Territory:
British Columbia
District:
Skeena

Household Members:
Vivian Dunn 46
Dorothy Dunn 22
Ralph Dunn 1

safc

safc Report 1 May 2019 23:29

hi
there's some ebdons on this site don't know if any are yours

https://www.findagrave.com/

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 22:55

1911 census Bessie was a servant at the age of 16 yrs
1901 census they wee living at Poltimore square.
Im just wondering if Bessie was a servant at Poltimore House/Manor in 1911 and who owned the Manor House in that time of 1901 - 1911

safc

safc Report 1 May 2019 22:44

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Poltimore House, Poltimore, St Thomas, Devon, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Annie Scott Head Single Female 54 1847 Housekeeper Crediton, Devon, England
Ellen Morse Servant Single Female 28 1873 Laundress Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
Jeanie Davidson Servant Single Female 23 1878 Laundress Scotland
Elizabeth Smyth Servant Single Female 24 1877 Housemaid (Domestic) Devon, England
Kate Williams Servant Single Female 19 1882 Housemaid (Domestic) Whipton, Devon, England

safc

safc Report 1 May 2019 22:42

1891 Census
21 Records found


Piece: RG12/1681 Place: St Thomas -Devon Enumeration District: 10
Civil Parish: Poltimore Ecclesiastical Parish: Poltimore
Folio: 40 Page: 4 Schedule: 18
Address: The Rectory

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STERRY Francis Head M M 56 Clerk In Holy Orders Essex - Upminster
STERRY Augusta Emily Wife M F 48 Surrey - Reigate
STERRY Emily Frances Dau S F 26 Devon - Stockland
STERRY Ethel Dau S F 22 Somerset - Chilton Cantelo
STERRY Maude Augusta Dau S F 20 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Mary Georgina Dau S F 18 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Rachel Dau S F 16 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Hester Dau S F 13 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Dorothy Dau S F 11 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Agnes Nora Dau S F 9 Devon - Poltimore
STERRY Francis Middleton Son S M 9 Devon - Poltimore
ASHWIN Mary Eliza Servnt S F 33 Governess To Children Overseas - British - New South Wales
WHIDDON Lucy Servnt S F 36 Cook Domestic Devon - Broadclyst
ELLIOTT Emma Susan Servnt S F 38 Nurse Domestic Somerset - Frome
HALFORD Emily Servnt S F 26 Housemaid Domestic Devon - Rewe
HOULDSWORTH Mary A Servnt S F 23 Laundry Maid Domestic Middlesex - London
ADDICOTT Margaret Ann Servnt S F 15 Housemaid Domestic Devon - Clyst St George
STARK Eva Servnt S F 22 Laundry Maid Domestic Devon - Poltimore
HANSFORD Ellen Fanny Servnt S F 19 Kitchen Maid Domestic Dorset - Bridport
STIRLING Mabel Ethel Servnt S F 17 Kitchen Maid Domestic Somerset - Trent
ROUNDEFELL John Jas Servnt S M 21 Foot Man Domestic Devon - Exeter

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 22:23

Also looking at the 1901 census info you have supplied says that the address was Poltimore Square I have just gone to google this and Poltimore House has come up.
Bessie Ebdon my great grandmother was a servant at a local Manor House, maybe this one?
How would I go about finding the owners at that time.
All suggestions are welcome.

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 22:20

Hi Dea

Mark Ebdon born 1890 could also be Samuel M Ebdon born 1890 as they did tend to use their middle names???

Also are we saying that John h Ebdon in the 1871 census that you have given me is the John my 2x Great grandfather???

Dea

Dea Report 1 May 2019 22:11

Very probably but I can see his birth reg !!!

He was down as Henry J in 1861 just to confuse:


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cemetry Place, Withycombe Rawleigh, St Thomas, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Ebdon Head Married Male 42 1819 Agricultural Labourer Devon, England
Harriett Ebdon Wife Married Female 42 1819 Lace Maker Aylesbeare, Devon, England
Mahala M Ebdon Daughter - Female 12 1849 Lace Maker Withycombe, Devon, England
Harriett A Ebdon Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Withycombe, Devon, England
William T Ebdon Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Withycombe, Devon, England
Henry J Ebdon Son - Male 1 1860 - Withycombe, Devon, England
Jane Lennard Mother In Law Widow Female 83 1778 - Rockbeare, Devon, England
Henry J Ebdon's Census Details

Have to go off line now but will take another look in the morning.

Dea x

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 22:09

Hi Dea

So Mark Ebdon born 1890 is Samuel M Ebdon born 1890???
As they did sometimes use their middle names is this not the case?

Also are we saying that the 1871 census info that you have given me is that,
John H Ebdon aged 11 yrs is my 2x great grandfather John?

xXx

Dea

Dea Report 1 May 2019 22:01

Dorothy Florence's death cert can be seen here:

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/bd178830-a3d9-464a-b5af-9fb1af7d2173

Dea x

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 21:56

Ok found more...…………….

Dorothy Ebdon married Frank Vivian Dunn
Dorothy Florence Dunn
Death 19 May 1982
West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Widowed 83 yrs

Frank Ebdon
Married - Newton Abbot, Devon
1935 oct/nov/dec
Spouse - Gladys I Doble

Ivan J Ebdon
Married - Plymouth, Devon
1941 apr/may/jun
Spouse - Rowena D Whiteway

safc

safc Report 1 May 2019 21:48


Bessie Ebdon on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Ebdon Household (1 Person) 33 Summerland Street , Exeter C.B., Devon, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Sex DOB Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Bessie Ebdon Female 02 Feb 1863 Old Age Pensioner Widowed 61 1

Dea

Dea Report 1 May 2019 21:46


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bath Road, Exeter, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ebdon Head Married Male 31 1860 Bricklayer Devon, England
Bessie Ebdon Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Devon, England
Beatrice A Ebdon Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Devon, England
Samuel M Ebdon Son - Male 1 1890 - Devon, England



This looks like a very possible for John and his family?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Withycombe Village, Withycombe Raleigh, St Thomas, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Ebdon Head - Male 52 1819 - Devon, England Ag. Labr.
Harriet Ebdon Wife - Female 52 1819 - Devon, England
Mark Ebdon Son - Male 24 1847 - Devon, England - Bricklayer....
W Thomas Ebdon Son - Male 17 1854 - Devon, England
John H Ebdon Son - Male 11 1860 - Devon, England

The same names seem to run through the generations............

Dea x

Samantha

Samantha Report 1 May 2019 21:39

Thank you Dea

alviegal
I have used the probate page to find a will for another family member back in 2017 long story, someone keeping secrets from my dad.

Bessie Ebdon is on there you say, I wonder what that's all about????

alviegal

alviegal Report 1 May 2019 21:32

There is also this site https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk.

You can generally find someone's death on https://www.freebmd.org.uk (as mentioned by Dea) and then, if you're lucky, you can find their address and date of death. Also who was awarded probate can help with family names.

Bessie Ebdon b 1863 can be found.