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Births not registered

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Unknown Report 8 Jun 2019 15:40

I am researching my Great Great Grandfather born sometime between 1823 and 1829. I have found him, I believe, on census returns from 1851 to 1911 and I have a marriage certificate which gives me his fathers name. However, I can't find a registered birth or christening for him. He was born before registration of births became mandatory. Any ideas where I go from here? I can't properly identifyhis parents and family as I can't be certain about which family to look at on the census information for 1841, he doesn't appear to feature at all on the returns of likely families i.e with the name of his father as detailed on his marriage cert. He had most probably left home by 1841 to work for or to be apprenticed as a blacksmith. If anyone has any ideas as to how I can proceed with this search it would be much appreciated. I hope I have posted this in the correct place.


ErikaH Report 8 Jun 2019 15:55

Civil registration came into force in July 1837. No BMD events were registered before that date. Penalties for not registering births were imposed from 1875

If you would like people to try to help, post his name, father’s name and occupation, and location

Who witnessed his marriage? Did it occur in the place he gives as his birthplace on censuses?

Which of his children is your PROVEN direct line?

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Christine Report 9 Jun 2019 18:20

If you know his place of birth from the census records, then try the parish registers for the county he was born in.

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Kucinta Report 9 Jun 2019 19:26

Did the marriage cert give his age, and did it mention the father's occupation in addition to the name?

If you care to give us some details, I'm sure folk on here would like to take a look. Sometimes it just needs another pair of eyes.


Unknown Report 10 Jun 2019 19:20

Thank you very much to everyone for the replies.
My great great grandfather is James Street(s) . He married in 1871 at a Parish Church in the Sheffield area but I can't read the name of the actual church as the writing isn't very clear. He married Maria Spouge, (often transcribed as Sponge on census information). They had one son John George who was my paternal great grandfather. Both witnesses to the marriage have the surname Dronfield which is the maiden name of Maria's mother. The marriage cert detaisl his father as George Street - Miner. James was a journyman blacksmith and I have found him on each census 1851,1861 as a single man moving around the area of North Derbyshire for work. The 1871 census details him as married to Maria. His age varies on the census forms hence my uncertainty as to his date of birth. I feel sure the age detailed on his marriage cert isn't correct! I wonder if he even really knew how old he was? I can't find him on the 1841 census but I wonder if at that time he had left home, possibly he was an apprentice blacksmith or working somewhere but I have no clues really as to where he was. I have found a George Street in Mastin Moor , Stavely, Derbyshire and this family might fit with James but James is not detailed on the 1841 census with them. Mastin Moor is his place of birth, this is the one constant fact on each census return. Parish records on line have not turned up any birth records for James in that area of the country. Would a visit to view the actual paper records yield more information, but which ones would I look at? I believe the records are now all located at the District Council Offices in Matlock, Derbyshire. Any help or suggestions would be gratefully received.


safc Report 10 Jun 2019 19:39

Record Transcription:
Yorkshire Marriages

First name(s) James
Last name Street
Age 42
Birth year 1829
Residence Barlborough
Marriage year 1871
Marriage date 14 Feb 1871
Marriage place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Spouge
Spouse's age 32
Spouse's residence Sheffield
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Street
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Spouge
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-138-3-93
Page 148
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


safc Report 10 Jun 2019 19:50


Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Nottinghamshire
Place Kirkby in Ashfield
Church name St Wilfrid
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 585
Baptism date 07 Oct 1827
Person forename James
Person sex M
Father forename George
Mother forename Eliza
Father surname STREET
Person abode Kirkby
Father occupation Collier
Transcribed by Karen Turner
Credit Karen Turner
File line number 583


Unknown Report 10 Jun 2019 21:45

Thank You Abby. The marriage details are correct and match the copy marriage cert I have. Except I could not decipher the Church of the Marriage from the document I have. So thank you very much for that. Re the baptism record for James this could be him but on all the census information I have he is recorded as being born in Mastin Moor, Staveley, Derbyshire so I am not sure this is the James I am looking for. I will follow it up further. Many thanks for your help.
I am interested in how you were able to find this information so quickly where did you look for such detail? I can't seem to find anything this detailed on line.
Thank you again.


safc Report 10 Jun 2019 22:07

The marriage is on find my past

the baptism is from free reg


safc Report 10 Jun 2019 22:09

Record Transcription:
Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917

First name(s) James
Last name Street
Birth year -
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 07 Oct 1827
Denomination Anglican
Church St Wilfrid
Baptism place Kirkby in Ashfield
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Street
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
Mother's last name Street
Residence Kirkby
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Record set Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

from find my past


safc Report 10 Jun 2019 22:35

from family search

Mary Ann Street
England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Ann Street
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Dec 1832
Christening Date (Original) 25 DEC 1832
Birth Date 12 Jun 1832
Father's Name George Street
Mother's Name Eliza

on find my past
the same baptism

mary ann daughter of george street a coal miner
and eliza his wife of portland row
in the parish of kirkby in the county of nottingham.


ErikaH Report 11 Jun 2019 13:26

Such a pity you marked this as answered. People will think you don't need any more help


AustinQ Report 11 Jun 2019 16:39

Possible Marriage for sister:

Name: Mary Ann Street
Residence: Chesterfield
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Birth Date: 1832
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1855
Marriage Place: Alfreton, Derbyshire, England
Father: George Street (Collier)
Spouse: John Parkes


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Saint Marys Chappal, Church End, Hale, Prescot, Lancashire, England

John Parkes Head Married Male 26 1835 Gardener Derbyshire, England
Mary Ann Wife - Female 29 1832 - Kirkby, Nottinghamshire,
Harold Thomas Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Butler Green, Chadderton, Oldham, Lancashire, England

John Parkes Head - Male 36 1835 - Derbyshire, England
Mary Ann Parkes Wife - Female 39 1832 - Nottinghamshire, England
Harold T Parkes Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
Eliza J Parkes Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
Mary H Parkes Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
Emily M Parkes Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Alexander Parkes Brother - Male 28 1843 - Derbyshire, England


Unknown Report 12 Jun 2019 00:11

Thank you for all this information. I will follow up on all of it. Many thanks.