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Yes 26 Brereton St is address on marriage certificates in 1934.. We are still trying to tie this in with the William Smith b 1886 Birmingham . died 1912 on the Titanic.. The family were always told that the Father of Florence Louisa Smith was the ship stoker who died on the Titanic in 1912. I have seen all the records with Titanic details but none of them include any wife or dependants names. I have tried to find other records about Titanic deaths but no luck so far. Thanks ;Pam

Was that Brereton Road where she was living in 1934? (from Marriage Cert.)...

Chris :)

Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, (Ancestry)

Florence and Malcolm there 1936, with Frederick Valentine Bonham, Sydney Valentine Bonham and Maria Louisa Bonham

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(if any help for Winthrop!)


Edits

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8319567

Name Smith, W Content: Aged 26. Engaged as: Seaman.
Reference: BT 100/259/687
Description: Name Smith, W
Content: Aged 26. Engaged as: Seaman.

(above can be downloaded, free. You can see his signature, on image viewer. Looks like 12, Bridge Street)

Sorry I don't know the house number of Winthrop Street . Pam

Do you know what number in Winthrop Street?

In 1911 there's this couple at 16 Winthrop Street - but no children with them:

James Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Smith
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: No
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, England [ corrected to Lambeth on image ]
Civil Parish: Whitechapel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Winthrop Street, Brady St, Whitechapel E
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Occupation: LABOURER
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Whitechapel
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1478
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 40
Elizabeth Smith 36 - Liverpool

The problem is there are not many Florence L s reg that qtr 1910 and none seem to work out?

When was her mother in Winthrop st? Does the relative have any other info as to her first name? Seem to be going round in circles and nothing connecting the siblings together.

Florence Louisa Smith was born on 15th October.. Her Mother lived at Winthrop Street /off Brady Street in the Jewish section in the East End of London

Thanks Pam

Below from google...

Chris :)

http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/RiseleyBaptisms-3.htm

Riseley - Baptisms
January 1873 to March 1901

14 March 1894 SMITH Beatrice (Parents. Annie) Riseley Born: 15 December 1893


Edits (no idea on below!)

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 (Find My Past)

First name(s) Flo Louise
Last name Smith
Birth year 1910
Birth date 21 Apr 1910
Event year 1914
School name Ampthill Road Girls' School, Bedford
Town Bedford
County Bedfordshire
Parent name(s) Alfred
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EBV53/3/1
Folio / page no. 21
Archive Bedfordshire & Luton Archive Services
(Address, 11, Bridge Road)

Possibly the birth of the child listed as Ruth in 1911 census ??

EKINS, BEATRICE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 281

William also died:

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Ekins William 37 Bedford 3b 181


And Annie remarried in 1904.

Annie Ekins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Ekins
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Ampthill
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 890
Records on Page:
Name
Henry Burrows
Annie Ekins




Annie Burrows
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Burrows
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Riseley
Civil Parish: Barton in the Clay
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Manor Road, Barton, Ampthill, Beds
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration district: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 9021
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Burrows 46
Annie Burrows 34
Lenard William Ekins 14
Ruth Ekins 8
William Henry Burrows 5
Arthur Eli Burrows 3

Annie seems also to have been married before 1909:

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Ekins William Bedford 3b 742
Smith Annie Bedford 3b 742




Annie Ekins
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie Ekins
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Ekins
Birth Place: Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Riseley
Ecclesiastical parish: Riseley All Saints
Town: Riseley
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Riseley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 1484
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
William Ekins 35
Annie Ekins 25
Leonard Ekins 4
Edith S Ekins 3


EKINS, EDITH SARAH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 307

EKINS, LEONARD WILLIAM mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 318



Sadly, Edith died:

Edith Sarah Ekins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edith Sarah Ekins
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 5
Registration district: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 185

Hi again. Some new details from relative of Florence Louisa Smith. , she lived at
26 Brereton road. Bedford. . Her brother Frederick worked for the Royal Mint.. Florence Louisa Smith's Mother lived at Winthrop Street /of Brady Street in the Jewish section in the East End Of London. Thanks Pam

Annie Smith the eldest daughter , mother was previously Woolston

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gold Street, Riseley, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England


William Smith Head Married Male 33 1848 Ag Labr Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Ruth Smith Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Keysoe, Bedfordshire, England
William Woolston Stepson Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Keysoe, Bedfordshire, England
Annie Smith Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Elizabeth Smith Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Edith Smith Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Riseley, Bedfordshire, England


Not that this helps at all, just trying to join the dots :-)

Thanks everyone. A relative also said there was a step child or /half sister named Beatrice. Will keep trying to find m ore leads. Pam

Ethel Smith is still single in 1911:


Ethel Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ethel Smith
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reseley, Bedford, England
Civil Parish: Wollaton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Wollaton
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Feneral Servant (domestic)
Registration district: Basford
Registration District Number: 429
Sub-registration district: Beeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 20434
Household Members:
Name Age
Ferdrnctz William Brown 34
Anny Warner Brown 24
Thomas Birch Brown 33
Ethel Smith 23

I still don't see a likely Florence Smith in 1911.

EDIT:
But I'm talking rubbish (again).

Just because Frederick William Wildman Smith's a half-brother of Florence, -
it doesn't mean Florence's mother is anything to do with Clara's family.
She's probably someone totally unrelated, who also had a relationship with William Henry Smith.

Still can't find a convincing birth for Florence, and still feel her birth must have been registered under her mother's unknown name.

Florence isn't Elizabeth's daughter either - Elizabeth married in 1902.

Elizabeth Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bedford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: Bedford St Martin
Town: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 1489
Folio: 81
Page Number: 35
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret F Monsele 40
Ralph R J Monsele 16
Gladys A Monsele 9
Jon K F Monsele 8
Robinette Monsele 6/12
Elizabeth Smith 23
Laura J Wilkinson 17


Marriages Dec 1902
Jefferies Charles Bedford 3b 799
Smith Elizabeth Bedford 3b 799


Elizabeth Jefferies
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Jefferies
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: 4 St Leonards Street, Bedford
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Registration district: Bedford
Registration District Number: 174
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 124
Piece: 8866
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Jefferies 31
Elizabeth Jefferies 33
Charles Jefferies 5

The daughter Edith married Edward William Brock in 1905 - so she's not Florence's mother.

Edith Smith
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Edith Smith
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1879
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1905
Marriage Place: Everton, St Cuthbert, Lancashire, England
Father: William Smith
Spouse: Albert Edward Broth

Edith's address: Gold Street, Riseby.

Beatrice Smith daughter to one of the older sisters I assume


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gold Street, Riseley, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England


William Smith Head Married Male 44 1847 Farm Labourer Bedfordshire, England
Bertha Smith Wife Married Female 42 1849 Washerwoman Bedfordshire, England ( Ruth on image)
Annie Smith Daughter - Female 16 1875 Mothers Assistant Bedfordshire, England
Elizabeth Smith Daughter - Female 13 1878 Lace Maker Bedfordshire, England
Edith Smith Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Bedfordshire, England
Harry Smith Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Bedfordshire, England
Tom Smith Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Bedfordshire, England
Ethel Smith Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Bedfordshire, England

In 1901 there was another grandchild with them also, but this one has no father's name either

SMITH, BEATRICE -
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 305

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gold Street, Riseley, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England


William Smith Head Married Male 52 1849 Farm Labourer Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Ruth Smith Wife Married Female 53 1848 - Keysoe, Bedfordshire, England
Harry Smith Son Single Male 19 1882 Farm Labourer Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Tom Smith Son Single Male 15 1886 Farm Labourer Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Clara Smith Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Riseley, Bedfordshire, England
Beatrice Smith Grand Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Riseley, Bedfordshire, England

Clara in 1911 son not named yet

1911 Census For England & Wales
Gold Street Riseley Bedford, Riseley, Bedfordshire, England


William Smith Head Married Male 63 1848 Farm Labourer Bedford Riseley
Ruth Smith Wife Married Female 64 1847 - Bedford County Keysoe Parish
Harry Smith Son Single Male 27 1884 Farm Bedford County Riseley Parish
Clara Smith Daughter Single Female 19 1892 - Bedford County Riseley Parish
Cyril Walter Smith Grandson Single Male 1 1910 - Bedford Riseley
N K - Grandson - Male 0 1911 - Bedford Riseley ( one month on image)


SMITH, CYRIL WALTER -
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BEDFORD Volume 03B Page 276

Following up a new lead . Another relative has said that a half sibling of Florence Louisa Smith is Frederick William Wildman Smith . I have a copy of his Birth certificate for 7th March 1911 Riseley Bedfordshire. There is no Fathers name given. . Mothers details given as Clara Smith no occupation.. Birth was registered on 10th April 1911 by the Mother Clara Smith. I also have a copy of the marriage certificate for Frederick William Wildman Smith to Edith Violet Ashwell on 17th December 1932 In Luton Bedfordshire. ,.No Fathers name is given for Frederick. Address for Frederick given as 31 Stratford Road Luton . Occupation Sheet Metal Polisher. I was hoping this would reveal the Fathers details of Florence Louisa Smith but its still not happening . Any help is much appreciated Thanks Pam