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Joseph Kirby

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Phillip

Phillip Report 11 Jul 2019 10:31

Hello

I would like if you can help please to find Joseph on the 1851 and 1861 censuses

Thank you


Joseph Kirby in the 1871 England Census


Name:Joseph Kirby

Age:50

Estimated birth year:abt 1821

Relation:Head

Spouse's name:Elizabeth Kirby

Gender:Male

Where born:[Newton Purcell., Oxfordshire, England]

Civil Parish:Camberwell

Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael Nunhead

Town:Peckham

County/Island:Surrey

Country:England

Registration district:Camberwell

Sub-registration district:Peckham

ED, institution, or vessel:15
Household schedule number:110

Page Number:25
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kirby 50
Elizabeth Kirby 42
Daniel Harding 12
Henry Harding 14
Thomas Harding 12
Elizabeth Harding 10
Richard Kirby 4
Ellen Kirby 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 10:38

Just for our reference, here's 1841:


Joseph Kirby
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Kirby
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Newton Purcell
Hundred: Ploughley
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brackley
Sub-registration district: Brackley
Neighbors:
Piece: 887
Book: 1
Folio: 3
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Kirby 60
Ann Kirby 50
Joseph Kirby 20
Wm Kirby 20
Martha Kirby 15
Richard Kirby 13
Thos Kirby 9
Wm Coles 85

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 Jul 2019 10:44

1871 from FMP showing relationships and all places of birth.

Has he lost a wife and remarried in-between 1861 and 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Surrey Cottages, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Kirby Head - Male 50 1821 - Oxfordshire, England Newton Purcell Farm Lbr
Elizabeth Kirby Wife - Female 42 1829 - Suffolk, England Newton
Daniel Harding Step-Son - Male 16 1855 - Surrey, England Brixton
Henry Harding Step-Son - Male 14 1857 - Surrey, England Brixton
Thomas Harding Step-Son - Male 12 1859 - Surrey, England Peckham
Elizabeth Harding Step-Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Surrey, England Peckham
Richard Kirby Son - Male 4 1867 - Surrey, England Peckham
Ellen Kirby Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Surrey, England Peckham

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 10:48

The 1871 census says the son richard was born in Peckham, Surrey, so this is probably his birth:

KIRBY, RICHARD mms COE
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 628

The Harding children are Joseph's step-children.

Elizabeth with first husband in 1861:

Elizabeth Harding
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Harding
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Harding
Gender: Female
Where born: Newton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 288
Piece: 382
Folio: 137
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Harding 35
Elizabeth Harding 33
Daniel Harding 10
Emily Harding 8
Henry Harding 6
Thomas Harding 2

I don't see Joseph and Elizabeth's marriage.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 10:51

Just for the record - Elizabeth's first marriage:

Elizabeth Coe
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Elizabeth Coe
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1850
Marriage Place: St Mary, Newington, Southwark, England
Father: Thomas Coe
Spouse: Henry Harding
Register Type: Parish Register

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 10:54

And 1881 - also just for the record - though no help so far with 1851 and 1861:

Joseph Kirby
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Joseph Kirby
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Kirby
Gender: Male
Where born: Pucks Newton Purcell, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 36 Bournemouth Rd
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Gardener
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 684
Folio: 51
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kirby 63
Elizabeth Kirby 54
Richard Kirby 14
Ellen Kirby 11

Phillip

Phillip Report 11 Jul 2019 11:04

I have also tried to find a marriage for Joseph and Elizabeth without success, under the name of Coe and Harding :-(

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 11:10

Perhaps one or both of them was already married:


For the purpose of elimination - this is NOT Joseph's birth, although Fritwell and Newton Purcell are fairly near each other, between Bicester and Brackley.

Joseph Kirby
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Joseph Kirby
Baptism Date: 29 Sep 1822
Baptism Place: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Fritwell
Father: William Kirby
Mother: Ann Kirby

This is that Joseph in 1841:

Joseph Kirby
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Kirby
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Fritwell
Hundred: Ploughley
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bicester
Sub-registration district: Bletchingdon
Neighbors:
Piece: 885
Book: 15
Folio: 4
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kirby 65
Ann Kirby 42
Joseph Kirby 18


He married Mary Ann Butler in 1846, and they are together in 1851 and 1861 - but he's not your Joseph.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jul 2019 11:15

This looks like Henry Harding's death - so maybe Joseph was married to someone else - as GG suggested - hence why I ruled out the Fritwell Joseph's marriage above:

HARDING, HENRY 36
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 303

Phillip

Phillip Report 11 Jul 2019 11:25

Thank you :-)

malyon

malyon Report 11 Jul 2019 11:36

Elizabeth Harding
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name:
Elizabeth Harding
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year:
1908
Registration District:
Lambeth
County:
London
Event Place:
Lambeth, London, England
Age:
80
Birth Year (Estimated):
1828
Volume:
1D
Page:
277
Affiliate Line Number:
33