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Just to round off this thread -

Nothing useful from Dea's links, I'm afraid.

I sent for the death certs of Silas (in 1844) and Ann (1840), just in case of any slight clue - though goodness knows what I was hoping for.

Silas's looks like the right one. No actual proof, but the scant detail fits - labourer, natural death. The informant was the coroner, so no help there, but I'm happy that's "my" Silas.

The 1840 death is not his wife, however. "Widow of William Butler, carrier."

Hey ho! I'll accept it's a brick wall, and give up on trying to find Silas's marriage.

Thanks for your interest.

I'll keep that marriage in mind, Malyon - thanks.

I don't think it's him, but you never know.

Many thanks for those links, Dea.

I'll give them a try.

This site also looks like it could be of interest to you?

http://www.northamptonshirerecordsociety.org.uk/eBooks/Militia1777/KingsSutton.pdf

Dea x

that still could be him married in london he could have worked there or ann was born there

If Oxfordshire is a possible there is this marriage but it is not to an Ann???

England Marriages 1538-1973
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First name(s) Silas
Last name Butler
Name note -
Marriage year 1797
Marriage date 22 Oct 1797
Marriage place Oxford
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline
Spouse's last name Mills
County Oxfordshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

On reflection it doesn't seem to fit if John's mother was definitely called 'Ann' but I will leave it posted so you can at least discount it.

Dea x

Would this site be of any use to you - you can apparently use the contacts page on the site to ask for info from many parish records they have.

It seems to centre on a place called Thorpe Manderville but that is only a few miles from Banbury and Kings Sutton?

http://www.thorpe-mandeville.co.uk/registers.html

If this is no good - perhaps they might know of other people locally who might hold similar information in the area you are looking at?

Dea x

Thanks for looking, Malyon, but I'm quite sure that's not him.

He would have lived his whole life as an agricultural labourer in rural Oxfordshire/Northamptonshire.
London would have been like the dark side of the moon to him.

Silas Butler
mentioned in the record of Ann Butler

Name: Silas Butler
Sex: Male
Wife: Ann Margaret
Daughter: Ann Butler
Other information in the record of Ann Butler
from England Births and Christenings

Name:
Ann Butler
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
24 Oct 1802
Christening Date (Original):
24 OCT 1802
Christening Place:
ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Silas Butler
Mother's Name:
Ann Margaret

Silus Butler
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:
Silus Butler
Spouse's Name:
Ann Wade
Event Date:
11 Oct 1801
Event Place:
Saint Giles Cripplegate,London,London,England

I wonder if someone could find the marriage of my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Silas, please - on some obscure website, perhaps, as I've searched all the usual ones.



Silas's probable baptism:

Silas Buttler,
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Silas Buttler
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Dec 1775
Christening Place: CHARLTON ON OTMOOR,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thos. Buttler
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02437-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 95226
Reference ID:
Address: Fencott [on image]


His death and burial:

BUTLER, SILAS 70
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in BRACKLEY Volume 15 Page 137

Silas Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1912
Name: Silas Butler
Age: 70
Birth Year: abt 1774
Burial Date: 6 Oct 1844
Burial Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Register Type: Parish Registers


In 1841 he's with his son John (my gr-gr-grandfather) :

Sileme Buttler
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Sileme Buttler
[Silas Buttler]
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Kings Sutton
Hundred: Kings Sutton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brackley
Sub-registration district: Brackley
Neighbors:
Piece: 804
Book: 11
Folio: 25
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Sileme Buttler 60 - age way out; not born in county
John Buttler 20 - born in county


John's baptism:

John Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: John Butler
Age: 0
Birth Date: 9 Jul 1818
Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1818
Baptism Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father: Cyrus Butler <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Ann Butler


John's marriage:

John Butter
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912
Name: John Butter
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Jan 1851
Marriage Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type: Parish Registers
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Silas Butter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Ann Maria Claydon

John's death:

BUTLER, JOHN 71
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 546

PLEASE DON'T research John - I've followed him and his descendants all the way. His YOB varies from 1818-1822 in censuses.

Silas had another son, Thomas - please don't research him either, unless you can find his baptism. I already have all the censuses, his marriage, children, death, etc.. [But see below re possible baptism with father Isaac.]
His YOB varies from 1810 (on his death record) through 1813, 1815, 1816 on censuses.

Thomas's marriage :

Thomas Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912
Name: Thomas Butler
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1838
Marriage Place: Newbottle, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type: Parish Registers
Parish as it Appears: Newbottle
Father: Silas Butler
Spouse: Mary Moss (father Thomas Moss)
Thomas's residence: Hinton. (Hinton in the Hedges, per banns)
Mary's residence: Newbottle.

And his death:
Thomas Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1912
Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1810
Burial Date: 20 Feb 1876
Burial Place: Newbottle, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Newbottle
Register Type: Parish Registers
[Abode: Charlton ]



Probably Silas's wife Ann's death and burial:

BUTLER, ANN 67
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in BRACKLEY Volume 15 Page 160


Anne Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1912
Name: Anne Butler
Age: 68
Birth Year: abt 1772
Burial Date: 11 Dec 1840
Burial Place: Thenford, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Thenford
Register Type: Bishops Transcripts



I have wondered if this could be Thomas's baptism:

Thomas Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Thomas Butler
Age: 0
Birth Date: 2 Jul 1813
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1813
Baptism Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Register Type: Parish Registers
Father: Isaac Butler
Mother: Ann Butler

That couple also had a daughter Elizabeth (I've followed her through marriage, etc, so please don't bother with her either):

Elizabeth Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812
Name: Elizabeth Butler
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1809
Baptism Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Register Type: Parish Registers
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Isaac Butler
Mother: Ann Butler


In which case this would be the parents' marriage:

Isaac Butler
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912
Name: Isaac Butler
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1806
Marriage Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type: Parish Registers
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Spouse: Ann Coker

Perhaps Silas/Cyrus was previously known as Isaac ??

This could be Ann's baptism, although if she's the same woman who died in 1840, she couldn't have been baptised until she was about 16.

Ann Coker
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and
Burials, 1532-1812
Name: Ann Coker
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1788
Baptism Place: Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Kings Sutton
Register Type: Parish Registers
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: John Coker
Mother: Elizth Coker


Can anyone find anything to prove it one way or the other, please?

Again, it's only Silas's marriage I'm interested in - please don't spend time on Thomas, John, or Elizabeth - though a definite baptism for Thomas would be a bonus.

The whole of that side of my family lived and died in various villages within a 20 mile radius of Banbury, from way back, until c1900 as far as my direct ancestors are concerned, but I expect there are still lots of distant relatives there.

I'll come back later.
Thanks in advance.