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Elsie Pattison.c.1892,Hartlepool.

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Terence Report 8 Oct 2019 16:17

Hi,researchers.Wondered if anyone could help with a problem I have come up against?
When asked by a friend to find ancestors of Elsie Pattison,(friends GrandMother) she said Elsie had married Edward Lee in 1920,Hartlepool. I found this record.
When looking for Elsie's birth I could only find Elsie Dowson Pattison in Hartlepool.
Her Mothers maiden name given as Worley.When looking at various trees on Ancestry they say she married William R.H.Bearby in 1917,Hartlepool.These trees also show Elsie's Mother to be Eliza Ann Worley who married James Pattison in
1891,Hartlepool.William Bearby and Elsie D Bearby are in the 1939 Register at Belmont Gardens,Hartlepool.So obviously not my friends Grandparents.My question is where is the birth of Elsie who married Edward Lee?Sorry if I have made this sound so complicated. Thanks for any help,Terry L.


Rambling Report 8 Oct 2019 16:50

Don't rely on Ancestry trees, The best way to be sure is to buy the marriage cert for Elsie's father's name

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)

Lee Edward Pattison Hartlepool 10a 403

Pattison Elsie Lee Hartlepool 10a 403

assuming this is the couple in 1939 it gives you a probable date of birth to look for

18 Alfred Street, West Hartlepool C.B., Durham, England

Edward Lee 04 Mar 1893 Male Wagon Repairer (Retired) Married 153 1
Elsie Lee 10 Nov 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 153 2
Elsie Lee 16 Jan 1923 Female Incapacitated Single 153 3

EDIT plus two closed records who will most likely be the other children.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Oct 2019 16:55

Anything relating in below?...

Chris :)

18 February 1949 - Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail - Hartlepool, Durham

LEE. - On February 16. Edward, aged 55 years, dearly beloved husband of Elsie Lee. Cortege leaves 18 Alfred Street, Saturday. 2 p.m.,for Stranton Cemetery.—R.l.P.

29 March 1944 - Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail - Hartlepool, Durham, England

LEE - On March 29th,at 13 Alfred Street. Elsie, aged 21 years, dearly beloved daughter of Edward and Elsie Lee.—Cortege leaves above address on Friday, at 11 a.m.

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Lee Elsie Pattison Hartlepool 10a 250


Rambling Report 8 Oct 2019 16:57

Just realised you have a date of birth in title as 1892, are you certain of this as it looks unlikely from the 1939 reg?

IF it is the 1899 one as per 1939register, then it is more likely to be this one in 1911 census

1911 Census For England & Wales
4 Silver St West Hartlepool, West Hartlepool, Durham, England

Robert Pattison Head Married Male 34 1877 Coal Merchant For Himself West Hartlepool Durham
Ruth Pattison Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Hartlepool Durham
Anna Pattison Daughter - Female 14 1897 - West Hartlepool Durham
Elsie Pattison Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Monk Hesledene Durham <<<<<<<<
Robert Wilson Pattison Son - Male 10 1901 School West Hartlepool Durham
William Henry Pattison Son - Male 6 1905 School West Hartlepool Durham
Walter Pattison Son - Male 3 1908 - West Hartlepool Durham
Henry Pearce Boarder Single Male 19 1892 Coal Hawker West Hartlepool Durham

for mother's maiden name, from GRO index

GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 421
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 114


Rambling Report 8 Oct 2019 17:01

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)

Mossom Ruth Hartlepool 10a 197
PATTISON Robert Hartlepool 10a 197

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Oct 2019 17:06

A Probate entry for below (1946) Elsie Dowson Bearby.

Chris :)

Deaths Dec 1945 (>99%)
Bearby William R H 53 Durham S.E. 10a 156


KathleenBell Report 8 Oct 2019 17:12

Elsie (mistranscribed) with parents in the 1901 census:-

43, Studley Road, West Hartlepool, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Robert Pattison Head Married Male 26 1875 Coal Hawker West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Ruth Pattison Wife Married Female 26 1875 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Hannah Pattison Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Else Pattison Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Hart, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Robert Pattison Son Single Male 0 1901 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Thomas Greathead Boarder Single Male 27 1874 Corporation Labourer Hartlepool, Durham, England
Ben Wheatman Boarder Single Male 22 1879 General Labourer Shipley, Yorkshire, England

Kath. x


KathleenBell Report 8 Oct 2019 17:14

The 1891 census:-

Carlisle Place, Musgrave Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Thomas Pattison Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer Railway Yorkshire, England
Jane Pattison Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Durham, England
Robert Pattison Son - Male 14 1877 Labourer General<<<<<<<<<<< Durham, England
George Pattison Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Durham, England
Willie Pattison Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Durham, England
James Pattison Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Durham, England
Florence Pattison Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Durham, England
James Ezard Lodger Single Male 43 1848 Labourer Bricklayer Yorkshire, England
Thomas Robson Lodger Single Male 25 1866 Labourer Bricklayer Durham, England

Kath. x


KathleenBell Report 8 Oct 2019 17:18

1881 census:-

1, Carlile Place, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Pattison Head Married Male 26 1855 Laborer Carter Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Mary J Pattison Wife Married Female 24 1857 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Robert Pattison Son Single Male 4 1877 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x


KathleenBell Report 8 Oct 2019 17:25

The marriage of Elsie's grandparents:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name PATTISON
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1876
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

THOMAS PATTISON married one of these people

>>>>Mary Jane Batty<<<<, Jane Thompson

District Hartlepool
District number -
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Volume as transcribed 10A
Page number 169
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x


Rambling Report 8 Oct 2019 17:26

Deaths Jun 1966 (>99%)


Terence Report 9 Oct 2019 09:35

Thank you,all you researchers.Need time to absorb the info'.It seems my friend may have got misled with certain dates etc.
Again,Thanks to all.