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Thomas Dacks Harvey born in Colchester in 1824

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Julia

Julia Report 17 Oct 2019 21:33

I am keen to find out more about my 3 x great grandfather Thomas Dacks Harvey born in Colchester in 1824. He married Maria McNish in 1849 and they went on to have 8 children. I am particularly keen to find out about his parents and grandparents but seem to have reached a dead end. I would be grateful for any information that is out there. Many thanks in advance.

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 21:47

A possible:-

Name: Thomas Harvey
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1824
Christening Date (Original): 26 DEC 1824
Christening Place: CONGREGATIONAL OR INDEPENDENT,WETHERSFIELD,ESSEX,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 06 Nov 1824
Father's Name:Joseph Harvey
Mother's Name: Elizth.

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 21:47

Any idea if he had siblings?

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 21:51

NO this one looks more likely

Name: Thomas Dack Harvey
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 21:52

Yes, father definately John

Name: Thomas Dack Harvey
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Jul 1849
Marriage Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Father: John Harvey

Spouse: Maria McNish

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 21:59

If this is John Harvey, then he was a gardener:-

Name: John Harvey
Poll Year: 1820
Parish or Rectory: Colchester

Catherine

Catherine Report 17 Oct 2019 22:09

I wonder??

Name: Jonathan Harvey
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jul 1821
Marriage Place: Great Bentley, St Mary The Virgin, Essex, England
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Spouse: Susan Clark

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2019 22:30

Or this one ?

John Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: John Harvey
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 2 Apr 1809
Marriage Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Spouse: Susannah Cousins


John Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: John Harvey
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 2 Apr 1809
Marriage Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Spouse: Susan Cousins

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2019 22:35

??? Sibling baptised the same day - possibly a twin, given YOB in 1841 census below?:

Daniel Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Daniel Harvey
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1824
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


Therefore this is Thomas in 1841.
Daniel (17, labourer) is listed with him, though not transcribed with him on Ancestry.

Thos Harvey
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thos Harvey
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Hundred: Colchester Borough
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Second Ward
Neighbors:
Piece: 344
Book: 15
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Harvey 17

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2019 22:45

Possible other siblings:

Henry Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Henry Harvey
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1819
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


Elizabeth Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Elizabeth Harvey
Age: 6
Birth Date: abt 1818
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1824 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


George Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: George Harvey
Baptism Date: 6 Apr 1828
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


Sarah Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Sarah Harvey
Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1827
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


Emma Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Emma Harvey
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1821
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susan Harvey


Susannah Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Susannah Harvey
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1813
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susannah Harvey

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2019 22:49

Also maybe these:


Daniel Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Daniel Harvey
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1814
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susannah Harvey


John Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: John Harvey
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1810
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: John Harvey
Mother: Susannah Harvey


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2019 23:06

As well as the gardener suggested earlier by Catherine, there's also this John:


John Harvey
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John Harvey
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Colchester St Martin
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 1781
Folio: 480
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Leveritt 51 - Ipswich, glover, unmarried
Rebecca Leveritt 33 - daughter, unmarried, tailoress, Colchester
Emma Leveritt 19 - ditto
John Harvey 60 - widower, cabinet maker

He's also with Rebecca (glove maker) and her children (though the YOB's are wildly different - Jane 15, Rebecca 10, Emma 5) in 1841, although they're not transcribed with him on Ancestry:

John Harvey
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Harvey
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Martin
Hundred: Colchester Borough
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Second Ward
Neighbors:
Piece: 344
Book: 10
Folio: 27
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Harvey 50 - cabinet maker


If that's him, and if the 1809 marriage (to Susan/Susannah Cousins) is his, he would have been 18 at marriage.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Oct 2019 07:20

Below from google search...

https://historyhouse.co.uk/placeC/essexc14freemen2.html

Chris :)

What are all details from 1848 Marriage Cert.?...(Father Occupation., Witnesses?)

Edits (below)

Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935 (Find My Past)

Last name Harvey
Residence Custem Yard
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 22 Jul 1849
Place Colchester, St Peter
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Maria Mi
Spouse's last name Nish
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Balkerne Lane
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Harvey
Father's occupation
Cabinet Maker
Spouse's father's first name(s) John Mi
Spouse's father's last name Nick
Event type Marriages
Archive Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 178/1/17
Page number 76


(For 1824 Baptism, below given)

Father's occupation Carpenter
Residence North Street


Essex Burial Index 1530-1994

First name(s) Susan
Last name Harvey
Age 42
Birth year 1789
Residence North Street
Burial year 1831
Burial date 10 Jan 1831
Place Colchester, St Peter
County Essex


County Essex
Place Colchester
Church name St Leonard
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 52
Marriage date 19 Dec 1816
Groom forename John
Groom surname MACKNISH
Groom parish This parish
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Maria
Bride surname WESTWOOD
Bride parish This parish
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 Martha TURTLE
Witness2 *** BROWN

(perhaps Parents of Maria)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(below came up for Rebecca Leveritt, 1841 and 51, Stockwell Lane)

County Essex
Place Colchester
Church name St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 539
Birth date * Dec 1820
Baptism date 06 Aug 1837
Person forename Jane
Person sex F
Mother surname LEVRETT
Notes No parents given. Seax DP 325-1-6



Place Colchester
Church name St Peter
Register type Parish Register
Birth date Nov 1789
Baptism date 26 May 1790
Person forename Susan
Person sex F
Father forename Henry
Mother forename Ann
Father surname COUSINS

(if her)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Oct 2019 11:07

So John the carpenter (father of the baptised children) could be John the cabinet maker in 1841 and 1851.

EDIT:
Oh yes, Chris has shown that, per Thomas Dack's marriage record.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Oct 2019 11:20

Likely death of Rebecca senior:

LEVERITT, REBECCA 61
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 04A Page 149

She's not necessarily any relation - maybe just John's landlady.



Possible death of Susan/Susannah ??

Susan Harvey
in the Essex, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1994
Name: Susan Harvey
Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1789
Death Date: abt 1831
Burial Date: 10 Jan 1831
Burial Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Oct 2019 11:23

???

Susan Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Susan Cousins
Gender: Female
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: Nov 1789
Baptism Date: 26 May 1790
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: Henry Cousins
Mother: Ann Cousins


And a brother:

Henry Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Henry Cousins
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1793
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: Henry Cousins
Mother: Ann Cousins


Possible marriage of their parents??

Henry Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Henry Cousins
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1785
Marriage Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Spouse: Ann Chappman


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Oct 2019 11:37

Other possible siblings??

Ann Maria Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Ann Maria Cousins
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 May 1787
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
Father: Henry Cousins
Mother: Ann Cousins


Ann Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Ann Cousins
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1791
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Father: Henry Cousins
Mother: Ann Cousins


Ann Cousins
in the Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Ann Cousins
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1792
Baptism Place: Colchester, St Peter, Essex, England
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Father: Henry Cousins
Mother: Ann Cousins