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Looking for parents of John James George Bull

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Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 09:45

I am not asking you to do the work for me, just looking for pointers please., I have John James George Bull who I am more sure than not, was born 31 Aug 1916 in Birmingham. I have, I think, John on the 1939 register living at 67 Spring Croft, Birmingham, with a Florence Bull, DOB 7 Feb 1893. I am assuming Florence is his Mum.

Are you able to suggest how I can find his parents, I have searched for Florence, with no results that I can be sure of, and have no idea what John's fathers name is.

John was married to Rhoda Eugenia Walker in 1943, she was previously married to an Alfred Hopkins in 1938, who apparently was a Bargee who got drunk and fell in the canal and drowned.

But it is John's parents who I am looking for.

Any help with where to look would be greatly appreciated.

malyon

malyon Report 29 Nov 2019 09:52

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)

Bull John J G Ingram Birmingham 6d 243

malyon

malyon Report 29 Nov 2019 09:59

not finding a marriage for bull and ingram

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 10:00

Thank you, that's the one I found, and then I found another possibility with the mmn of Fry, but cant find it again now.

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 10:08

Did John James George Bull have any siblings, that may help find the correct mmn?

His marriage certificate should give you his father's name?

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 10:10

We think, but not sure an "Olive"

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 10:11

there are 5 births Bull - Ingram in Birmingham so if any of the names are relevant to your search at least you can confirm, or not that mmn is Ingram.

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 10:16

I will look them up Catherine thank you, will also PM you.

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 10:16

these are the births and there is an Olive

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Bull John J G Ingram Birmingham 6d 243
Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Bull Olive F Ingram Birmingham 6d 278
Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
Bull Norah B Ingram Birmingham 6d 425
Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Bull Phillipa A M Ingram Birmingham 6d 367
Births Sep 1930 (>99%)
Bull Cyril B Ingram Birmingham N. 6d 532

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 10:17

The easiest way to find the parents names is of course to buy a copy of the birth certificate.

malyon

malyon Report 29 Nov 2019 10:18

one of these could be florence's birth

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Ingram Florence Walsall 6b 791 Scan available - click to viewIngram Florence Kate Bromsgrove 6c 393

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 10:20

The death record of John James G. Bull born 1916 Birmingham gives you his date of birth which is the same as you gave in your post

Name: John James G Bull
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 31 Aug 1916
Registration Date: Nov 1989
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 32
Page: 324

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Nov 2019 10:22

This is Olive's birth confirming mothers maiden name:-

First name(s) OLIVE F
Last name BULL
Birth year 1919
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Ingram
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 278
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

and this is Olive's marriage (confirmed by the added note on the 1939 register):-

First name(s) OLIVE F
Last name BULL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1940
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

OLIVE F BULL married one of these people

Edward A Randle

Spouse's last name Randle
District Birmingham
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Volume as transcribed 6D
Page number 1353
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records.

This would mean that the birth for John that you found will be correct:-

First name(s) JOHN J G
Last name BULL
Birth year 1916
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Ingram
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 243
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

You need his birth certificate for his father's name.

Kath. x

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 10:27

That's great, thank you very much all, I did PM Catherine. At least I know the mmn is Ingram, thank you so much.

xx

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Nov 2019 10:45

Florence died 1989 Birmingham.

Her death cert might give clues re husband and/or father, if the informant knew them.

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 10:56

Yes, thank you AG.

You are definitely right with those deaths, I have just found Olive on the ER 2003/2010 living at 67 Springcroft.

Thank you all again, very much appreciated.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Nov 2019 10:58

Interestingly, Cyril B Bull is listed as Cyril B Morris in 1939.

And his birth is registered as Morris as well as Bull.

In 1955 he's living (as Morris) at 67 Springcroft Road (same as 1939), along with Florence Bull and Olive F M Randle.

He died as Morris, 1996 Birmingham.

The older Bull children's births are only registered as Bull, not Morris.

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2019 11:02

wondering where the other children went:-

This looks to be one of them:-
Name: Norah B Bull
Death Age: 4
Birth Date: abt 1922
Registration Date: Oct 1926
[Nov 1926]
[Dec 1926]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Birmingham South
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 250
.............................

Deborah

Deborah Report 29 Nov 2019 11:05

That is strange AG. Could he have been adopted.

Also, I have just found Phillipa at 67 Springcroft.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Nov 2019 11:05

In 1935 ER, Florence is at 67 Springcroft Road with a James George Bull.

This can't be John J G - he wouldn't have been old enough - so must be his father.

Also listed at 67 is Bartholomew Charles Morris!

The plot thickens.

Bartholomew Charles is also at 67 Springcroft Road on 1939 ER.