Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

John Cleminson born abt 1858 Ulverston

Page 0 + 1 of 2

  1. 1
  2. 2
  3. »
ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 13:58

Hello

I am trying to locate John Cleminson born about 1858 in Ulverston.. According to the 1939 register he was born on the 16th August 1858 and the censuses from 1881 to 1911 indicate that he was born in Ulverston. I have found his marriage to Elizabeth Jane Carter 1877 Guisborough district (marriage cert not yet ordered) however I can not find him on earlier censuses. I have found a baptism dated 19th September 1858 Ulverston with parents John Cleminson and Jan which looks likely.
Hope you can help me...................Kev :-)

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 14:00

Spellings of surname vary on censuses and registration record. There have also been Clemenson and Clemison

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jan 2020 14:21

For our reference -

John Clemenson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Clemenson
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1859
Spouse: Elizabeth Clemenson
Child: Hannah M Clemenson
Matilda Clemenson
John R Clemenson
James E Clemenson
Rosina Clemenson
Joseph Clemenson
Birth Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Marske
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Residence Place: New Marske, Marske, Yorkshire, England
Registration district: Guisborough
Sub registration district: Marske
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 3999
Folio: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
John Clemenson 32
Elizabeth Clemenson 30
Hannah M Clemenson 12
Matilda Clemenson 10
John R Clemenson 8
James E Clemenson 5
Rosina Clemenson 3
Joseph Clemenson 11/12


John Clemison
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Clemison
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth J. Clemison
Gender: Male
Where born: Holverson, England
[Unverston, England]
Civil Parish: Marske in Guisbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Spout Wind
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Ironstone Miner
Registration district: Guisborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 4840
Folio: 39
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
John Clemison 22
Elizabeth J. Clemison 20 - Cornwall
Hannah M. Clemison 2
Matilda J. Clemison

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 14:33


John Cleminson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register

Name:John Cleminson

Gender:Male
Marital status:
Widowed

Birth Date:16 Aug 1858

Residence Year:1939

Residence Place:Stokesley, Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Occupation:Incapacitated]

Schedule Number:208

Sub Schedule Number:4

Enumeration District:JHUC

Registration district:534-3

Household Members:

Name

John Cleminson
Robert Grainge
Edna M Grainge

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 14:36


John Cleminson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:John Cleminson

Death Age:81

Birth Date:abt 1859

Registration Date:1940


Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep

Registration district:Cleveland

Inferred County:Yorkshire North Riding

Volume:9d

Page:937

malyon

malyon Report 13 Jan 2020 14:44

can only find this birth but its 1855

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
Cleminson John Ulverston 8e 558

safc

safc Report 13 Jan 2020 15:01

Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1871 Yorkshire, North Riding (NRY) Guisborough Skinningrove Brotton 4851 6 117 30 115 -
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
SMITH Benjamin Head M M 50 Miner CHS Bonnington
SMITH Ann Wife M F 49 Miners Wife IRL Kilkenny
SMITH Benjamin Son U M 14 Miners Son YKS Guisborough
SUTHER E M Boardr U M 33 Miner SAL -
CLEMINGTON John Boardr U M 14 Miner LAN Dalton xxx

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 15:18

Thank you
Another variation CLEMINGTON :-S

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 15:35

The 1871 census is in Brotton the same as his wedding in 1877


John Cleminson in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–197

Name:John Cleminson

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:25 Dec 1877

Marriage Place:Brotton,York,England

Spouse:Elizabeth Jane Carter

FHL Film Number:573987

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jan 2020 15:45

No help with finding John before 1871, but interesting (to me, at least):

Elizabeth's family belonged to Cornwall, but between 1871 and1881 the family had moved to Marske, hence how she and John had met (her father was also a miner).

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 16:05

Thank you for that. it is interesting to me too x

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 16:25

On Find my Past I have just found the marriage certificate dated 25th December 1877 Brotton. 30 mins after ordering it from GRO :-(
Father of John Cleminson is also named John. Both Miners.
If anyone had Find my past could you please have a look and see if you can decipher the place of residence for me?
Thank you

Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 16:39

Its Skinningrove

safc

safc Report 13 Jan 2020 17:18

hi baptism is on family search


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J922-6BN

safc

safc Report 13 Jan 2020 17:34

????

could this be him

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Spencer John Cleminson Ulverston 8e 536

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jan 2020 17:37

Skinningrove
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Skinningrove is a village in Redcar and Cleveland, North Yorkshire, England. Its name is Viking influenced and is thought to mean skinners' grove or pit.[2]

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jan 2020 17:42

following that 1858 birth posted by safc:

???

John Spence
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Spence
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Spence
Mother's name: Jane Spence
Gender: Male
Where born: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Dalton
Town: Dalton <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 3171
Folio: 90
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
John Spence 27 - iron miner
Jane Spence 26
Mary A Spence 10
Agnes Spence 5
John Spence 2
Edward Swarbrick 28


SPENCER, JOHN CLEMINSON mms SWARBRICK
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION Volume 08E Page 536

SPENCER, AGNES JANE mms SWARBRICK
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION Volume 08E Page 618


Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
Spencer John Ulverston 8e 865
Swarbrick Jane Ulverston 8e 865


Kevin

Kevin Report 13 Jan 2020 17:52

oh that's exciting :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jan 2020 17:55

On the other hand, why would John and Jane be Spence/Spencer in 1856-61, but baptise their son as Cleminson in 1858 ??


Agnes's baptism:

Agnes Spence
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Agnes Spence
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1856
Baptism Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Father: John Spence
Mother: Jane Spence
FHL Film Number: 1471901



I wonder if Cleminson is a mistake on John's baptism ??
Either a mistranscription, or else the clerk was told that his name was John Cleminson, and assumed Cleminson was the surname ??

It's frustrating not to be able to see an image.

safc

safc Report 13 Jan 2020 18:26

Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1861 Lancashire (LAN) Dalton Dalton - 3171 6 90 32 154 Dalton
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
SPENCE John Head M M 27 Iron Miner LAN Dalton
SPENCE Jane Wife M F 26 LAN Dalton
SPENCE Mary A Dau U F 10 Dau WES Kendal
SPENCE Agnes Dau - F 5 Dau LAN Ulverston
SPENCE John Son - M 2 Son LAN Ulverston
SWARBRICK Edward Lodger U M 28 Ag Lab LAN Dalton