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In view of the above postings, WHY do you persist in referring to the man as Henry CHARLES?

My friend says that Nayland appears on the death certificate, these are the children of Henry & Charlotte
Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Alfred William
Date: 1869-02-23
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Norwood
District Code: Ade

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Annie Jessie
Date: 1880-06-23
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Port Wakefield
District Code: Gil

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Charles Henry
Date: 1867-03-16
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Norwood
District Code: Ade

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Charlotte Elizabeth
Date: 1865-02-18
Sex: F
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
District Code: Ade

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Edward James
Date: 1877-03-10
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Port Wakefield
District Code: Gil

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Ethel Page
Date: 1873-05-16
Sex: F
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Norwood
District Code: Ade

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Robert Page
Date: 1871-02-10
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Norwood
District Code: Ade

Surname: SMITH
Given Names: Sydney Edward
Date: 1878-10-21
Sex: M
Father: Henry SMITH
Mother: Charlotte WALKER
Birth Place/Residence: Port Wakefield
District Code: Ade

Regrettably, until Ellen accepts what is clearly factual info, it is pointless to bother any further with this

Yes, that seems more likely, Maddie. However, without being able to view the actual stone to see if any relatives are listed, we don't know which Charlotte that is.

That's the 1907 death I posted earlier.
I also posted the death of a Henry Smith in North Adelaide in 1895 - now seems likely to be Charlotte Lomas's husband.

Charlotte Lomas and Henry Smith had several children , all born in Adelaide between 1865 and 1887.

Too many Henry Smiths!

I'm giving up on this search.
We have at least three Henry Smiths :
One who married Charlotte Walker, one who married Charlotte Lomas, and one who married Ann Sandwell.

But at least we can be sure that Charlotte Walker's husband is NOT the one who died on 13 Nov 1912.
And we don't know the birthplace of any of the Henrys .

from find a grave on ancestry

Charlotte Smith
Birth unknown
Death 12 Jan 1906
Burial
Cheltenham Cemetery
Cheltenham, Charles Sturt City, South Australia, Australia
Plot J
Memorial ID 154082279 · View Source


ancestry links this one to charlotte lomas
Name: Charlotte Smith
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 62
Death Date: 19 Jul 1907
Death Place: North Adelaide
Residence Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 319
Volume Number: 326

Name: Charlotte Lomas
Father's name: John Lomas
Spouse Name: Henry Smith
Spouse's Father's Name: William Smith
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1865
Marriage Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 239
Volume Number: 64

I put in Cheltenham Cemetery then filled in the name & details of Charles Henry Smith died 1912 it came up as Billion Graves

All the above already posted, Ellen.

Is it possible to see Charlotte's headstone (if any) ? I mean the one who died in 1906.

As already posted, her residence at the time of death was Cavenaghville, nr Balaklava.
But she apparently died in Alberton, approx 90 miles away.

(On what site are you and Erika able to see Henry Charles's stone? I can't see it anywhere. Perhaps it's FMP, where I don't have a sub.
EDIT: Oh yes, it's on Ancestry .)

I just had a look at a headstone for Henry Charles Smith who was married to Annie Sandwell he died 13/11/1912. Annie died 17/8/1926 & a daughter Edith Rose Agnes died 31/10/1926 wife of C.G Smith all buried in Cheltenham Cemetery Adelaide

Adelaide Cemeteries Authority - www.acsa.gov.sa

SMITH
Charlotte
12/01/1906
64 Yrs
Alberton, SA
Cheltenham Cemetery
Section J, Drive C, Path (#) 6(7), Site number 197S


b. 1842

SMITH
Henry Charles
14/11/1912
72 Yrs
Glanville, SA
Cheltenham Cemetery
Redeveloped location

Funeral Notice in The Express and Telegraph Wed 13 Nov 1912
SMITH The funeral of the late Mr Henry Charles Smith late Stevedore are informed that his remains will be removed from his late residence James Street Glanville on THURSDAY at 2.30pm for Interment in the Woodville Cemetery
This is the Henry Charles Smith married to Charlotte Walker

MARRIAGE RECORD Sth Aust Marriages 1842 - 1937

Married 18 Mar 1863 Registration -- 53 / 320

Henry Charles Smith b. 1838 ( age 25 ) in Wesleyan Chapel, Pirie St, Adelaide
Father ~ William Smith ( no occup )
TO
Charlotte Walker b. 1841 ( age 22 )
Father ~ William Walker ( no occup )
_______________________________________________

This might be Charlotte's death, rather than the 1906 one - unless your friend has a copy of the 1906 cert to see relationships given on it:

Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Record information.
Name
Charlotte Smith
Spouse
Henry Smith <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth
abt 1845
Death
1907 North Adelaide, South Australia
Residence
North Adelaide


Charlotte Smith
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Charlotte Smith
Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 62
Death Date: 19 Jul 1907
Death Place: North Adelaide
Residence Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 319
Volume Number: 326



Although -
Balaklava, where the 1906 death happened, is only about 16miles from Port Wakefield, where the youngest child was born in 1880.
But they could well have moved in the intervening 26 years.

?? But it's a very common name .
And of course we have no idea of when Henry was born - i.e. - Charlotte's husband.


Henry Smith
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Henry Smith
Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 58
Death Date: 09 Sep 1895
Death Place: North Adelaide
Residence Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 105
Volume Number: 229

On Ancestry there are two public trees with Henry Charles Smith .
One has him marrying Ann Sandwell (Lahne family tree, owner SueLahne).
The other says he married Charlotte Walker . Presumably this is your friend's tree - (Skevington family tree; owner marglittle).

He's also on some private trees, sometimes marrying Charlotte, sometimes Ann.

Some of the trees will undoubtedly just have copied from each other without having any documentary evidence.

The Charlotte tree claims he was born 1840, Nayland, Suffolk - "Unable to locate birth record". No proof offered.

There's lots of details about Henry and Charlotte's children, and Charlotte's parents, etc, so presumably that's OK - although there are no documents re the children's births.

But it shows his death as the 1912 death - which has been proved wrong. It was Ann's husband who died in 1912.


The other tree, which says he married Ann, doesn't have any birth details for him, other than "about 1840", which has come from the death record. It doesn't give any birthplace - which is as it should be without any record to back it up.
It does say his father was also named Henry Charles Smith, which is stated on his marriage cert.

The list of children is completely different on this tree to the list on the Charlotte tree, and is complete with birth records.
It also correctly has the 1912 death record.

So as already said, these are two different families.
Two different Henrys.

BUT-
We (and the tree owners) have no proof of where either of the two Henrys was born, nor of Charlotte's husband's death.


Re Ann's husband - and quoted on the "Ann" tree, along with later "In Memoriam" notices:

SMITH.--On the 13th November, at James-street, Glanville, Henry Charles, the dearly beloved husband of Annie Smith, leaving one son and three daughters to mourn their sad loss, aged 72 years. At rest.

SMITH.--THE FRIENDS of the late Mr. HENRY CHARLES SMITH, late Stevedore, are informed that his Remains will be removed from his late residence, James-street, Glanville, on THURSDAY, at 2.30 p.m., for interment in the Woodville Cemetery.

????
Name: Charlotte Smith
Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 64
Death Date: 11 Jan 1906
Death Place: Alberton
Residence Place: Cavenaghville Nr Balaklava
Registration Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 9
Volume Number: 315

The man who died in 1912 DID NOT marry Charlotte Walker

BTW - he died on the 13th -NOT the 14th

PLEASE read all the info posted and evaluate it.

My friend has on her ancestry tree
Henry Charles Smith born 1840 Nayland Suffolk father William (as appeared on his death certificate when he ( Charles ) died 14/11/1912 at Glanville Adelaide.
He married Charlotte Walker 18/3/1863 at Adelaide she died 11/1/1906

I just noticed I put Henry Charles & Charlotte's marriage as 18/3/1912 it should read 18/3/1863 sorry

It's very possible that Henry's birth wasn't registered, if it was before Sept 1837 - assuming it was in England.

The other question also remains -
why does your colleague think her ancestor (whichever Henry he was) was born in Nayland?

You say,
"My friend has him on her Ancestry Tree but only his father name no mother".

So who is on her tree? Henry of Nayland, or Henry who married Charlotte, or Henry who died in 1912?

NO Charles in the name - so why did you add it?

And please tell us WHICH Henry your colleague is related to, as the man on that marriage record is NOT the one who died in1912