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Henry Walter Baker born 1919

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James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:01

Good Morning

I have the birth certificate for Henry Walter dated 6th December 1919 which gives father also Henry Walter Baker a Railway Platelayer (ex driver RFA) and Mother Mary Agnes Baker formerly Garlick. I am trying to help a friend with this who doesn't know an awful lot except that his father Henry Walter junior was one of around eight. The oldest was Liliian Kathleen born 1911 and another was Rosie Doris born about 1914. Doesn't know when Henry Walter and Mary Agnes died.
If I could find a marriage that would help but not seeing anything.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:08

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
BAKER Henry Walter Lambeth 1d 454
GARLICK Mary Lambeth 1d 454

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:09

Henry Walter Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry Walter Baker
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1919 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jul 1982
[Aug 1982]
[Sep 1982]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1316

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:11

Thank you
How embarrassing I have just spent two days looking for the marriage for him!!!!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:12

Surname originally written as Parson, then corrected to Baker.
He's not the son of the Parsons couple.

Henry W Parsons
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Henry W Parsons
[Henry W Baker]
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1919 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 40
Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England
Occupation: Off Cinema Assistant
Schedule Number: 279
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: ANLC
Registration district: 22/4
Household Members:
Name
Jessie E Parsons
Leonard G Parsons
Henry W Parsons

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:16

Lilian K Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lilian K Baker
Mother's Maiden Name: Garlick
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 574


Rosie D Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rosie D Baker
Mother's Maiden Name: Garlick
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1156

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:18

Wicked!

How would I find the deaths of Walter Henry and Mary Agnes? I guess I need their ages from the marriage certificate. It will also give me Walter Henry seniors father and occupation etc

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:19

rose was with James from before 1939, but they only married in 1963.

Rose D Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Rose D Baker
Registration Date: Oct 1963
[Nov 1963]
[Dec 1963]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Spouse: James J G Tapner
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 2609


Rose Tapner
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Rose Tapner
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1913
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 109
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: ANLQ
Registration district: 22/4
Inferred Spouse: James Tapner
Household Members:
Name
James Tapner
Rose Tapner


Rose Doris Tapner
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Rose Doris Tapner
Death Age: 93
Birth Date: 3 Jul 1913
Registration Date: Nov 2006
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: C38B
District and Subdistrict: 254/1C
Entry Number: 170


James Joseph G Tapner
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: James Joseph G Tapner
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1905
Registration Date: Apr 1994
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: B53A
District and Subdistrict: 2541B
Entry Number: 271

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Feb 2020 12:21

???

BAKER, LILIAN KATHLEEN GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 574

BAKER, ROSIE DORIS GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 1156

BAKER, AMY DOROTHY GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 604

BAKER, IVY LOUISE GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 715

BAKER, JULIA GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 445

and from freebmd.



Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Baker Henry W Garlick Lambeth 1d 902

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Baker Mary [EF] Garlick Lambeth 1d 565

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Baker Nellie Garlick Lambeth 1d 545

Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Baker Jean M Garlick Lambeth 1d 490

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:23

Oooh nice :-D

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:24

So I need to look on the 1939 to see if they were alive and together I guess

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:33

Better if I had their ages. I will arrange purchase of the 1908 marriage certificate

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Feb 2020 12:33

????

Deaths Jun 1973
BAKER HENRY WALTER 16NO1888 SOUTHWARK 5E 105

Rose

malyon

malyon Report 12 Feb 2020 12:35

Deaths Jun 1973 (>99%)
BAKER HENRY WALTER 16NO1888 SOUTHWARK 5E 105

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:39

Thank you Malyon
I just spotted them on the 1939 register and it gives his date of birth as above but it is sadly a different family

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Feb 2020 12:49

I know these have already been posted, but have added some info on how to do it yourself

It's always good to have 2 places from which to check records

FROM https://www.gro.gov.uk
free to use but you need to register. 1837 - 1919 and 1984 -2004 gives Mother's maiden name. Can only check in 5 years batches i.e. 2 years +/- the year you start from
If no mmn showing usually means an illegitimate birth.

But useful here as Julia wasn't showing on the other site as mmn was recorded as Carlick *****

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAKER, LILIAN KATHLEEN GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 574

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAKER, JULIA GARLICK
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 445

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page *******
Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Baker Julia Carlick Lambeth 1d 445

FROM https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Free to use 1837 - 1983 approx. No mmn before Q3 1911 (although looks as though they are starting to add them) Can check large date ranges

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Baker Rosie D Garlick Wandsworth 1d 1156

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
BAKER Amy D Garlick Basford 7b 604 99%)

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Baker Ivy L Garlick Lambeth 1d 715

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Baker Henry W Garlick Lambeth 1d 902

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Baker Mary [EF] Garlick Lambeth 1d 565

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Baker Nellie Garlick Lambeth 1d 545

Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Baker Jean M Garlick Lambeth 1d 490


<<<<<<<<?????? Basford is Notts/Derbys RD so could it have been the same family.? They could have travelled for work.

Is there another possible Baker/Garlick marriage - Yes Reginald in 1914 Aston (Birmingham and area surrounding).

Is there time - Not really.
Rosie could have been born as early as mid August 1913 - late Sept. (6 weeks allowed to register a birth) , Amy mid-August 1914 to late Sept. and Ivy late March 1915 so Amy to Ivy unlikely !!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:50

Possibly with mistakes in 1939 ???

Ivy Louise married in 1934:

Ivy L Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Ivy L Baker
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Edward H Neville
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 659


In 1939 mistranscribed as Meville:

Ivy Louise Meville
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Ivy Louise Meville
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 111
Residence Place: Battersea, London, England
Occupation: Shop Managress Pet Shop
Schedule Number: 97
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: ABOE
Registration district: 23/2
Inferred Spouse: Edward H Meville
Household Members:
Name
Edward H Meville
Ivy Louise Meville
Henry W Baker - 5 Sept 1880 - permanent way labourer [ i.e. railways <<<<<<<<<< ]
Mary K Baker - 7 Aug. 1886
Mary E Knight



Ivy Neville
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ivy Neville
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1915
Registration Date: Jul 1995
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: C97A
District and Subdistrict: 2561C
Entry Number: 109

James

James Report 12 Feb 2020 12:51

Thank you
I have been told there were eight children so without Amy that will be correct :-)

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Feb 2020 12:52

???

Name: Henry Baker
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Lambeth, London, England, United Kingdom
County: London
Parish: Lambeth
Sub-District: Stockwell
Sub-District Number: 3
District Number: 25
Enumeration District: 25
Registration District: Lambeth
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Occupation: BRICKLAYER'S LABOURER
Number in Family: 2
Birth Year (Estimated): 1881
Birthplace: Lambeth, London
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: 64
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 127
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/02031/0127/1


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Baker Head M 30 Lambeth, London
Mary Baker Wife F 25 Lambeth, London

Record Type: Household
Line Number: 1



Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Feb 2020 12:58

If that's the correct 1939, a couple of wild guesses at their deaths - though they are common names:


Henry W Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry W Baker
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1880
Registration Date: Jan 1950
[Feb 1950]
[Mar 1950]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 279



Mary A Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary A Baker
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1886
Registration Date: Apr 1966
[May 1966]
[Jun 1966]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Enfield
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 299