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Ellener Derbyshire

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Marlene

Marlene Report 31 Mar 2020 13:08

Does anyone have any information on Ellener derbyshire .
She was my grandfathers 13th child .
My grandfather was Solomon derbyshire .
All I can find out is she was born in 1907 nothing afther that
regards
Marlene sawyer { derbyshire}

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 13:14

Where in the world was this?


OK - looked it up

1911 census


Solomon Derbyshire Head Married Male 47 1864 Coal Miner Hewer Lancs Standish
Sarah E Derbyshire Wife Married Female 48 1863 - Lancs Upholland
Emma Derbyshire Daughter Single Female 25 1886 At Home Lancs Standish
William Derbyshire Son Single Male 23 1888 Coal Miner Labourer Below Ground Lancs Wigan
Sam Derbyshire Son Single Male 21 1890 Colliery Labour Below Ground Lancs Leigh
Percy Derbyshire Son Single Male 17 1894 Colliery Labour Below Ground Lancs Leigh
Elsie Derbyshire Daughter Single Female 15 1896 General Servant Day Domestic Lancs Leigh
George Derbyshire Son Single Male 11 1900 School Lancs Leigh
Sarah E Derbyshire Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Lancs Leigh
Ellener Derbyshire Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Lancs Leigh



Looks like she was Solomon's grand-daughter as there is NO mother's maiden name on birth record.
DERBYSHIRE, ELEANOR -
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 310

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 13:18

DERBYSHIRE, PERCY KIRBY
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 295

DERBYSHIRE, SARAH KIRBY
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 322


Confirmation of info
Name: Solomon Darbyshire
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1864
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 May 1884
Parish: Standish, St Wilfrid, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Sarah Ellen Kirby
Spouse Age: 21
Father: William Darbyshire
Spouse Father: Thomas Kirby

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2020 13:26

Maybe ???

Jesse Bent
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Jesse Bent
Registration Date: Jul 1951
[Aug 1951]
[Sep 1951]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Eleanor Derbyshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 10d
Page Number: 53


???
Jesse Bent
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Jesse Bent
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 255


Eleanor Bent
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Eleanor Bent
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1906 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jan 1983
[Feb 1983]
[Mar 1983]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 2593

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 13:32

From the FREE LancsBMD site

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DARBYSHIRE Sam KIRBY 1889 Westleigh Wigan & Leigh WL/39/293

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Elizabeth Ellen KIRBY 1891 Westleigh Wigan & Leigh WL/43/250
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Percy KIRBY 1894 Westleigh Wigan & Leigh WL/47/76
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Elsie KIRBY 1895 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/1/455
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Eleanor KIRBY 1897 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/5/393
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE George KIRBY 1899 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/8/184
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Gertrude 1900 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/10/345
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Eric KIRBY 1901 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/11/310
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Sarah KIRBY 1902 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/15/231


Looks like Eleanor was named after her deceased Aunt

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Eleanor 3 1901 Leigh Wigan & Leigh L/7/346

PatW

PatW Report 31 Mar 2020 13:36

According to Lancashire b.m.d there is an Eleanor Derbyshire born 1906 in Leigh. Mothers maiden name listed as Derbyshire so may not have been married.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 13:37

From FREEBMD - didn't you look there?

Marriages Sep 1951 (>99%)
BENT Jesse DERBYSHIRE Leigh 10d 53
DERBYSHIRE Eleanor BENT Leigh 10d 53

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2020 13:38

Eleanor's death in 1983 also posted above.

Apparently she had no children.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 13:40

1911 census clearly states that Solomon and his wife have had TWELVE children - of whom four have died

My money is on Emma for the mother

PatW

PatW Report 31 Mar 2020 13:44

According to records Eleanor would be 45 when married so I don’t think there would be any children

Marlene

Marlene Report 31 Mar 2020 13:56

thankyou everyone .
you have answered many questions
very grarteful
regards
Marlene sawyer

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Mar 2020 14:10

1939

Joseph Bent 29 Mar 1876 Male Incapacitated By Illness Widowed 225 1
Martha Jones (Bent) 23 Jan 1904 Female Potato Picker On Farm Single 225 2
Herbert Bent 03 Apr 1912 Male Coal Scuffter & Hewer (Below Ground) Single 225 3
Elsie Farrell (Bent) 31 Aug 1913 Female Winder Weaving Mill Single 225 4
Jesse Bent 05 Jan 1917 Male Colliery Hewer (Below Ground) Single 225 5



First name(s) JESSE
Last name BENT
Gender Unknown
Birth day 5
Birth month 1
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1978
District Leigh
County Lancashire


Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Bent Jesse Griffiths Leigh 8c 407

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Mar 2020 16:16

Interesting, Erika - I had thought this 1905 birth for Jesse, as being nearer Eleanor's age - also with mms Griffiths:

In fact, I think it's the same family as your 1939 record.

BENT, JESSE mms GRIFFITHS
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in OF LEIGH Volume 08C Page 255

(That's on GRO as a male birth)


Jesse Bent
in the Wigan, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Jesse Bent
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1905
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1906
Baptism Place: Lowton, St Mary, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Lowton, St Mary
Father: Joseph Bent
Mother: Eliza Jane Bent

But this may be his death in infancy, although spelled Jessie, and listed as a female death on GRO:

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
Bent Jessie 0 Leigh 8c 154


In 1910 the parents had a daughter whom they named Jessie:

BENT, JESSIE mms GRIFFITHS
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in OF LEIGH Volume 08C Page 246

Joseph Bent
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joseph Bent
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lowton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Lowton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 20 Bodden St Lowton St Marys Lancashire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Registration district: Leigh
Registration District Number: 460
Sub-registration district: Lowton
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 23190
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bent 34
Eliza Jane Bent 31
Tom Bent 11
Martha Bent 7
Fred Bent 2
Jessie Bent 5/12
Fred Bent 25 - brother

It looks as if the daughter Jessie also died young:

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Bent Jessie 0 Leigh 8c 337

And then they went on to have son Jesse 1917.


Death of the mother Eliza:

Eliza J Bent
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Eliza J Bent
Death Age: 59
Birth Date: abt 1880
Registration Date: Apr 1939
[May 1939]
[Jun 1939]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 251