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Vernon Family Help

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Carter

Carter Report 3 Jan 2021 21:14

Hello

I wonder if anyone could help me .

I have a GEORGE HENRY VERNON born 28th June 1915 in Wigan Lancashire.died 1980 in St Helens Merseyside, He married JANE ELLEN PRESCOTT in 1939 Wigan Lancashire

I have found him on the 1939 census with his mother MARY JANE VERNON - MAIDEN NAME TURNER

Mary Jane is a widow .She was born 1891 in Wolstanton Staffordshire

I am trying to find Georges father who we think is also called George and was born in Wolstanton Staffordshire

We think Mary and George married in Wolstanton Staffordshire. c 1911I can't find anything on George or Mary Jane prior their marriage

Any help would be very much appreciated

Thank you
Linda


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:21

The marriage is easily found on FreeBMD:

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Turner Mary Wolstanton 6b 279
Vernon George Wolstanton 6b 279

You may need to buy the marriage cert to find out George's father's name, and also George's occupation, which would help.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Jan 2021 21:21

Get certs for factual info...........

What was Mary’s DoB?
Why do you think she and her husband were born in Wolstanton?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Jan 2021 21:30

George had an elder brother George - born and died 1911

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Jan 2021 21:32

1939 register

Mary Jane Vernon
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1891
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Haydock, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties & Fire Deal
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 283
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NUZG
Borough: Haydock
Registration district: 459-A-1
Household Members Age
Mary Jane Vernon 48
George Henry Vernon
24

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:33

Birth and death of another son ??

VERNON, GEORGE mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 282

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Vernon George 0 Wigan 8c 214


And birth of a daughter??

VERNON, ELSIE mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 124

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Jan 2021 21:36

13th July 1891 was said to be Mary’s DoB............location in 1939 was HAYDOCK

Carter

Carter Report 3 Jan 2021 21:36

thank you all so much.


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:37

Poossible death of George??

Haydock is in Warrington reg district.

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
Vernon George 41 Warrington 8c 173

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:40

If he was indeed born in Wolstanton, this might be his birth:

VERNON, GEORGE mmn COATES
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 152

Carter

Carter Report 3 Jan 2021 21:47

Haydock is just about 7 miles away from wigan

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:50

Possible marriage of parents:

Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
COATES Ann Stoke T. 6b 184
VERNON George Stoke T. 6b 184


George Vernon
in the England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988
Name: George Vernon
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1859
Marriage Date: 21 Jan 1878
Marriage Place: Etruria, Staffordshire, England
Father: Aaron Vernon
Spouse: Am Coates [ Father: Edward Coates ]

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:53

Hmmm - this doesn't agree with father Edward Coates above:

George Vernon
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Vernon
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Son in Law
Spouse: Annie Vernon
Gender: Male
Where born: Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Prince's St.
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Potter
Registration District: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Piece: 2716
Folio: 21
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Coates 55 - widower, potter
George Vernon 22 - potter
Annie Vernon 23 - potter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 21:56

Same family in 1891:

George Vernon
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Vernon
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1858
Spouse: Annie Vernon
Child: Annie Vernon
Arthur Vernon
Martha Vernon
Emily Vernon
Fanny Vernon
Birth Place: Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem
Ecclesiastical parish: Sneyd Green
Residence Place: Burslem, Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Burslem
ED, Institution or Vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 2164
Folio: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
George Vernon 33
Annie Vernon 33
Annie Vernon 10
Arthur Vernon 8
Martha Vernon 6
Emily Vernon 4
Fanny Vernon 2
Robert Boughey 18


Two of the children m, just to prove it's the right family re the 1878 marriage:

VERNON, EMILY mmn COTES
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 138

VERNON, MARTHA mmn COATES
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 157

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 22:03

George 1892 in 1901 :

George Vernon
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Vernon
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Annie Vernon
Birth Place: Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Wolstanton
Sub-registration District: Burslem
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Piece: 2593
Folio: 61
Page Number: 16
Household Schedule Number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Vernon 42 - widow, lodging house
Annie Vernon 19 - potter
Arthur Vernon 18
Martha Vernon 15
Emma Vernon 14
George Vernon 12
Albert Mathers 19 - lodger
Samuel Simkin 40 - lodger

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 22:04

George Vernon
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Vernon
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Burslem, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 38 Sant St, Burslem, Staffordshire
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Lamp Cleaner Above Ground
Registration District: Wolstanton
Registration District Number: 360
Sub-registration District: Burslem
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 16486
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Edwards 26
Earnest Edwards 21
George Vernon 19

Carter

Carter Report 3 Jan 2021 22:07

Argyll Gran you have been really busy.

Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jan 2021 22:11

Mother Ann in 1911:

Ann Vernon
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ann Vernon
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Burslem, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 58 Sant St, Burslem, Staffs
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Nil
Registration District: Wolstanton
Registration District Number: 360
Sub-registration District: Burslem
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 16486
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Vernon 52
Annie Bevington 30 - daughter, widow, teapot fettler
Elizabeth Vernon 23 - daughter [perhaps this is Emily ?]
Arthur Bevington 7 - grandson
James Henry Bevington 6 - grandson
Annie Bevington 2 - grand-daughhter
[and 2 lodgers ]


Daughter Annie's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Bevington James Wolstanton 6b 147
Vernon Annie Wolstanton 6b 147

Carter

Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 18:04

thank you everyone