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Hello
I am looking for a family on the 1939 register and wonder if anyone could please help.

Alice Ann Horrocks born 1881 in Wigan Lancashire
married
John Carney 1911 in Wigan Lancashire

Alice died in 1952 and not sure when John Died.

They had 3 children all born in Wigan Lancashire
James C Carney 1913
John G Carney 1917
Mary Carney 1920

I have Alice's parents and siblings on the 1911, 1901, 1891 census

But cant find any trace on the 1939

Any help would be very much appreciated

Linda

WHERE did Alice die?

Hi ErikaH

Alice died in Wigan Lancashire

Alice Ann Carney
BIRTH 1881
DEATH 3 Nov 1952 (aged 70–71)
BURIAL
Lower Ince Cemetery
Ince in Makerfield, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Greater Manchester, England

For an idea of birthdate, her baptism.

Baptism: 4 Dec 1881 St Andrew, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Alice Ann Horrocks - [Child] of Thomas Horrocks & Ellen
Abode: 6 Canal St
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: W.A.Wickham Incumbent
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1901, Page 31, Entry 244
Source: Original register at Wigan Archive

1939
15 Sharp Street, Wigan, Wigan C.B., Lancashire, England

Alice A Conney 03 Oct 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Widowed 147 1
Horace Horrocks 12 Aug 1906 Male Incapacitated Single 147 2
Harry Horrocks 12 Oct 1911 Male Labourer French Cligger He Single 147 3
James Conney 28 Aug 1913 Male Builders Labourer Heavy Single 147 4
John Conney 01 Oct 1918 Male Shop General Salesm Single 147 5
Mary Culshaw (Conney) 29 Sep 1920 Female Mill Worker Can Tent Single 147 6
The record for this person is officially closed

I think the closed record is probably a fourth child, Thomas E.

ErikaH

You are brilliant

Thank you so much for your help

Linda

:-D :-D

CARNEY Thomas Eric HORROCKS 1927 Wigan (Central) Wigan & Leigh WIG(C)/8/5

First name(s) Thomas Eric
Last name Carney
Gender Male
Birth day 14
Birth month 2
Birth year 1927
Death quarter 3
Death year 2000
District Wigan & Leigh
District number 0181D
Register number D13B
Entry number 084
Date of registration mm/yy 0800


First name(s) Thomas E
Last name Carney
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1960
Thomas E Carney married Edith Pemberton

Looking at 1911, it appears that Alice had two Horrocks children - Horace and Joseph - plus Harry in 1911, who is with her and Horace in 1939

Unless Joseph belonged to her sister Ellen.......................


1911 census
Name: Thomas Horrocks
Age in 1911: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Country: England
Street Address: 6 Cecil Avenue
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Collier (Hewer)
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 23001
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Horrocks 65
Alice Ann Horrocks 29
Gorge Horrocks 24
James Horrocks 22
Ellen Horrocks 21
Edith Wilkinson Horrocks 13
Horace Horrocks 4
Joseph Horrocks 2

Not sure who Edith belonged to

WILKINSON, EDITH HORROCKS (NO MMN)-
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 135

Deaths Jun 1925 (>99%)
Wilkinson Edith H 27 Wigan 8c 5

ErikaH
sorry for the delay in replying but not been on here for a while as family matters have taken over. Thank you so much for your help. You are so clever.
Thank you once again. Your help is always appreciated.

Linda

:-D :-D :-D :-D

More re Edith:


Edith Honostle Wilkinson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edith Honostle Wilkinson
[Edith Horrocks Wilkinson]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors:
Piece: 3557
Folio: 75
Page Number: 5
Household Schedule Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Horrocks 54
Ellen Horrocks 54
Robert Horrocks 30
Thos Horrocks 28
Esther Horrocks 24
Alice Ann Horrocks 19
George Horrocks 14
James Horrocks 12
Ellen Horrocks 11
Edith Honostle Wilkinson 3
Beatrice Alice Horrocks 2


Edith Horrocks or Wilkinson
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Edith Horrocks or Wilkinson
Birth Date: 1898
Death Date: 13 May 1925
Cemetery: Lower Ince Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Ince in Makerfield, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Greater Manchester, England


But still no clue to her parentage.

The grand-daughter Beatrice Alice was also illegitimate:

HORROCKS, BEATRICE ALICE -
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 33

ArgyllGran

Thank you once again for your help

Beatrice was Esther Horrocks's daughter:

Beatrice Horrocks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Beatrice Horrocks
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Country: England
Street Address: 3 New St Wiganlanc
Marital status: Single
Occupation: At School
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 23005
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Aspey 34
Esther Aspey 35
Beatrice Horrocks 12
Geo Aspey 8
Arthur Aspey 6
Freddie Aspey 4
Nellie Aspey 2


Luke Aspey
in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926
Name: Luke Aspey
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1877
Marriage Date: 19 May 1902
Marriage Place: Wigan, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St Andrew
Spouse: Esther Horrocks

perhaps these were the parents of Edith Horrocks Wilkinson

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Fisher Alice Ann Wigan 8c 60
Horrocks Harriet Wigan 8c 60
Wilkinson John Thomas Wigan 8c 60
Wrigley William Wigan 8c 60

Harriet married William Wrigley, not John Wilkinson:

Harriet Horrocks
in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926
Name: Harriet Horrocks
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1896
Marriage Place: Hindley, St Peters, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Hindley, St Peters
Father: Thomas Horrocks
Spouse: William Wrigley

And she's not a daughter of Thomas and Ellen, in any case.
She's with parents Thomas and Jane in 1891, in Hindley, Lancs.


Edith was the daughter of an unmarried woman named Wilkinson, per the birth reg.

I think she was probably the daughter of Thomas and Ellen's son Thomas:

Thomas Horrocks
in the Wigan, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1926
Name: Thomas Horrocks
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1873
Marriage Date: 5 Aug 1901
Marriage Place: Wigan, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St Andrew
Father: Thomas Horrocks
Spouse: Catherine Wilkinson <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



Thomas Horrocks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Horrocks
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Country: England
Street Address: 53 Holt St Woodhouse Lane Wigan
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Colliery Firiman (below Ground)
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration District: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Piece: 23005
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Horrocks 36
Catherine Horrocks 35
Thomas Horrocks 9
Robert Horrocks 8
Florence Horrocks 5

ArgyllGran

You are so clever. thank you so much