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Jacqueline Report 6 Jun 2021 13:59

alviegal i think you have it,lol iv only just got time again to look at this and he would have know francis drake from living near him in king street,in 1891 so and the same type of work, it is odd that he was living at that address when found drowned,but who knows maybe they had split up or a row?,anything,especialy as they couldnt say what caused him to drown,accident or suicide,? but thats added a bit to it, thankyou, :)


Jacqueline Report 29 May 2021 18:58

gwen, sorry for the late reply, so busy with family,live ones,lol, her son enlisted 1915 and gave that address as his mothers as his nex of kin, and as his,,

argyllgran i did see this one and if remember right there is another caroline peters in other census i found born lewes sussex ,dont think its her ,but will check again now i hav a couple of free days,

many thanks for your help and once again sorry for the late reply xx

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 May 2021 21:05

Would she be eligible to appear on ERs in 1914 and 1915 though ?


ArgyllGran Report 15 May 2021 18:29

You say she was at 33 Ambrose Street, Bermondsey in 1915 and until her death (1931, I think).

The ER says Matthew Hamilton was living there in 1915 - also in 1914 - with no mention of Caroline:

Matthew Hamilton
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Matthew Hamilton
Electoral Date: 1915
Street Address: 33 Ambrose street
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bermondsey
County or Borough: Southwark, England

Matthew Edward Hamilton was still there in 1920, with Maria Hamilton, and Henry King. No Caroline.

Matthew Edward Hamilton
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Matthew Edward Hamilton
Electoral Date: 1920
Street Address: 33 Ambrose Street-
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bermondsey and Bethnal Green
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets, England

I only see Caroline at that address in 1930 - and also still the Hamiltons.

In 1923 and 1924 there's a Caroline Peters at 231 Weston Street, Bermondsey - but I don't know if that's her or not.


alviegal Report 15 May 2021 18:22

Electoral registers 1832-1932

Constituency in full: Parliamentary Borough of Southwark, Rotherhithe Division
Constituency: P B of Southwark, Rotherhithe Division
Year: 1892

Francis Drake living at 4 Fulford Street, he had moved to no 7 by the next year. In 1891 he was in King Street.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4 King Street, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis Drake Head Married Male 45 1846 Waterside Labourer London, England
Matilda Drake Wife Married Female 37 1854 - London, Middlesex, England
Melinda Drake Daughter Single Female 15 1876 General Servant London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Drake Son - Male 13 1878 Errand Boy London, Middlesex, England
Adelaide Drake Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
George Drake Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Jack Drake Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Harriet Drake Daughter - Female 2 1889 - London, Middlesex, England


ArgyllGran Report 15 May 2021 17:48

??? I know this woman is said to be single, and born in Sussex - but I don't see any matching birth.
Maybe Charlotte Horrex, who filled in the form, had incorrect information.:

Caroline Peters
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Caroline Peters
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lew [ Lewes on image] , Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Country: England
Street Address: 150 Telford Avenue, Streatham Hill S W
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Servant Domestic
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration District: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Piece: 2325
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Horrex 66
Eliza Horrex 63
Caroline Peters 50


greyghost Report 15 May 2021 17:31

Possible living with another man and using his surname?


Jacqueline Report 15 May 2021 16:47

maiden name hudson no middle name, they were both at 29 king st on 1891 census then few months later in september on his death cert it gave his address as 4 fulford st, i have her birth cert,4 may 1861, and her bapism her death cert and in all census except the 1911 one, she is well hidden in that one,lol


greyghost Report 15 May 2021 16:29

What was her maiden name and did she have any middle names?
1901 indicates born 1858/9


greyghost Report 15 May 2021 16:10

Fulford Street, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

4 Fulford Street was unoccupied in 1901


greyghost Report 15 May 2021 16:05

For our information

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
40, Grinstead Road, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Smith Head Married Male 45 1856 Stevedore Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Welford, Wales
Rosabel Smith Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Tin Box Maker Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
May Smith Daughter - Female 16 1885 Tin Box Maker Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Albert Smith Son - Male 13 1888 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Emily Smith Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Beatrice Smith Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Ada Smith Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Winifred Smith Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Caroline Peters Boarder Widow Female 42 1859 Laundress Rotherhithe, Surrey, England


Jacqueline Report 15 May 2021 14:58

hi,im searching for a caroline peters on 1911, i have her on everything else,so please please dont waste yr timelooking on anything other 1911, lol,iv searched but cant find her on it but maybe a fresh pair of eyes may spot her, she was a widow born woolwich 1861,1901 she was living 40 grinstead rd deptford,boarding with william and elizabeth smith,and 1915 she is at 33 ambrose st bermondsey where she lived til she died, also does anyone have access to the kellys directory for bermondsey rotherhithe, 1891/1892 ? to see who was living in 4 fulford st, many thanks in aadvance ,fingers crossed :)