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Margaret Snowdon

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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 12 Aug 2021 23:53

I have Margaret Snowdon baptised 13 Mar 1822 in Hesket in the Forest, parents John Snowdon and Mary Storey. I also have Edward Snowdon baptised same day, same parents, so I'm assuming they were twins. I am trying to find out what happened to Margaret - I can't find her in the 1841 census and can't find a death for her. I have Edward lodging with a John Salkeld in 1841 census, age 15, making birth 1824 not 1822, but the reason I think it's him is because Ann Dodd is working closeby as a family servant for her grandmother, Ann Deark.
Edward married Ann Dodd in Melmerby and her parents were John Dodd and Elizabeth Deark.

malyon

malyon Report 13 Aug 2021 00:13

looks likr her marriagr

Margaret Snowden's Parents and Siblings
John Snowden
Father
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Margaret Snowden's Spouses and Children
Elijah Clegg
Husband
M

Name Elijah Clegg
Sex Male
Father's Name Richard Clegg
Father's Sex Male
Spouse's Name Margaret Snowden
Spouse's Sex Female
Spouse's Father's Name John Snowden
Spouse's Father's Sex Male
Marriage Date 31 Jan 1846
Marriage Place Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original) Habergham-Eaves, Lancashire,

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 13 Aug 2021 07:14

You can't assume that they were twins because they were baptised the same day. They might have been, but you would need other proof. Sometimes the vicar or clerk helpfully add birth dates at the side of the parish record entry.

I have seen many church records where families had 2 , 3 or even more children baptised the same day, even though their birth dates were spread over many years.

In 1841 census, ages were rounded to the nearest multiple of 5, so I would have expected for Edward to be recorded older than 15, as he was in fact at least 19, if he was baptised in 1822.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Aug 2021 08:54

:
1851 census

Margt Clegg
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Elizah Clegg
Gender: Female
Where born: Cowling, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Burnley
Sub-registration District: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7n
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 98
Piece: 2252
Folio: 337
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizah Clegg 22
Margt Clegg 30
James Clegg 3
Everett Clegg 11 Mo

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Aug 2021 08:55

On the other hand, if he was indeed born in 1822 as well as baptised then, his age would show as 15 in the 1841 census, as ages were rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5.

But without proof . . . . . .

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Aug 2021 08:55

1861 census

Margaret Clegg
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Elijah Clegg
Gender: Female
Where born: Cranshaws, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Burnley
Sub-registration District: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 16
Piece: 3068
Folio: 46
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Elijah Clegg 37
Margaret Clegg 40
James Clegg 13
Everett Clegg 10
Israel Clegg 8
Admeral Clegg 5
Ernest Clegg 2
Ellen Edmondson 26

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Aug 2021 08:56

They went to the USA

1870 census

Margaret Clegg
Age in 1870: 48
Birth Date: abt 1822
Birthplace: England
Dwelling Number: 247
Home in 1870: Fall River Ward 1, Bristol, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Fall River
Occupation: Keeping House
Father of Foreign Birth: Yes
Mother of Foreign Birth: Yes
Inferred Spouse:
Elijah Clegg
Inferred Children:
Israel Clegg
Admiral Clegg
Earnest Clegg
Elisabeth A Clegg
Household Members Age
Elijah Clegg
44
Margaret Clegg 48
Israel Clegg
17
Admiral Clegg
15
Earnest Clegg
14
Elisabeth A Clegg
10
Mary Atkinson
31
Ella J Atkinson
12
Charlotte Atkinson
4

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Aug 2021 08:59

Death

Margaret Clegg
Gender: Female
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1818
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 1 Nov 1878
Death Place: Fall River, Massachusetts, USA
Father: John
Mother: Betty Clegg


Elijah Clegg
Birth Date: 1823
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 25 Sep 1880
Cemetery: Oak Grove Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Fall River, Bristol County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse:
Margaret Clegg
Children:
Admiral Clegg
Elizabeth A Clegg
Ernest Clegg
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100626041/elijah-clegg

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Aug 2021 09:03

The marriage to Elijah Clegg seems unlikely.

Hesket is about 100 miles away from Habergham Eaves.

ADDED:
and the birthplace of Margaret Clegg in the 1851 posted by Shirley seems to confirm that.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Aug 2021 09:43

No help with Margaret , but . . . . .

Margaret's parents' marriage (for our reference for location; I realise Yvonne already has this) :

John Snowdon
Marriage • England, Northumberland, Parish Registers, 1538-1950.
Name John Snowdon
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Mary Storey
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 6 Nov 1808
Marriage Place Rothbury, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom <<<


Possibly Mary with two other children :

Mary Snowden
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Mary Snowden
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Hesket in The Forest
Hundred: Leath
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Penrith
Sub-registration District: Kirkoswald
Neighbors:
Piece: 173
Book: 2
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Snowden 55
Thomas Snowden 10
Mary Snowden 5


Mary Snowdon
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary Snowdon
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rothbury, Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Upper and Nether Hesket
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Penrith
Sub-registration District: Greystoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 148
Piece: 2426
Folio: 250
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Snowdon 62
Thomas Snowdon 21
Mary Jane Snowdon 17


Thos. Snowden
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thos. Snowden
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 31 Jan 1830
Baptism Place: Armathwaite,Cumberland,England
Father: John Snowden
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 90556


???
Mary Jane Snowdon
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Jane Snowdon
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1834
Baptism Place: Armathwaite, Cumberland, England
Mother: Mary Snowdon
FHL Film Number: 1472059
Reference ID: items 17-20 p 27


Armathwaite is about 3 miles from Hesket.

BUT John and Mary Snowden/Snowdon seem to be common names in the area.

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 Aug 2021 20:35

??? Birth year is out though.

Margaret
Last name Snowden
Birth year 1824
Age Infant
Death year 1824
Burial year 1824
Burial date 30 Jun 1824
Place Hesket in the Forest
County Cumberland
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Aug 2021 21:34

Presumably siblings of Margaret and Edward:

Geo. Snowden
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Geo. Snowden
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 29 Feb 1824
Christening Place: Hesket in the Forest, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original): Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England
Father's Name: John Snowden
Father's Sex: Male
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Sex: Female



Jos. Snowden
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Jos. Snowden
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 2 Apr 1826
Christening Place: Hesket in the Forest, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original): Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England
Father's Name: John Snowden
Father's Sex: Male
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Sex: Female



I can see George (probably) in 1851, 1871, 1881 and 1891 in St George Hanover Square, London, with wife Elizabeth.
He died there in 1892.

Can't see Joseph conclusively anywhere.
EDIT -
See death posted below by Maddie.

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Aug 2021 12:21

SNOWDEN, JOSEPH 13
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in PENRITH UNION Volume 25 Page 84

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 14 Aug 2021 21:29

Thanks everyone for the info, sorry about the delayed response.
I'm not ready to rule out Edward and Margaret being twins yet, as when Edward married Ann Dodd they had a set of twins, Eleanor and Grace. Not sure how I'd prove this though.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 Aug 2021 08:00

The original church register might record that they were twins, otherwise I'm not sure how you could be certain.

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Aug 2021 11:47

on these entries ? mark over birth date

Edward
Last name Snowden
Birth year 1822
Birth date ? ? 1822
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 13 Mar 1822
Parish Hesket in the Forest
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Snowden
Cumberland Baptisms

Margaret
Last name Snowden
Birth year 1822
Birth date ? ? 1822
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 13 Mar 1822
Parish Hesket in the Forest
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Snowden
County Cumberland

Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 15 Aug 2021 22:35

That’s interesting that they have a question mark over them, that’s how I feel. Looks like something we’ll never be sure of.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 15 Aug 2021 22:35

That’s interesting that they have a question mark over them, that’s how I feel. Looks like something we’ll never be sure of.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Aug 2021 10:26

The question mark is in the transcription, and is because there is no record of the birth dates on the original baptism record.

Even putting 1822 as the year of birth is only a guess by the transcriber, and possibly misleading, because nobody knows.