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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 16:34 |
Can anyone please find Hannah and her children after 1861…
Last seen 1861 with mother Wilhelmina Kirkbride and step father George Kirkbride, I have Wilhelmina + George on all other census but no Hannah
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Name: Hannah Hodgson [Hannah Kirkbride] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: 1836 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Kirkbride Mother's Name: Willhallmina Kirkbride Gender: Female Where born: Dacre, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Newbiggin County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Penrith Sub-registration District: Penrith ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 56 Piece: 3901 Folio: 63 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age George Kirkbride 47……nothing needed Willhallmina Kirkbride 57…….nothing needed Hannah Hodgson 25……everything needed after 1861 Anne Hodgson 6….only need 1871 census William Hodgson 2….everything needed after 1861
Anne marries in 1878….I only need 1871 census for her, I have everything else
Many thanks x
Edit…. HODGSON, WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 307 I believe this is my Williams birth
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ErikaH
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18 Sep 2021 16:39 |
Presume you’ve checked whether Hannah married after 1861?
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 16:41 |
I can’t find a marriage for her but would be extremely thankful if you can
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 16:45 |
No baptisms are showing up for Anne or William which amazes me as all the rest of the family were baptised, maybe because they were illegitimate….
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malyon
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18 Sep 2021 17:06 |
Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%) Hodgson Wilhelmina Penrith 10b 519 Scan available - click to view Kirkbride George Penrith 10b 519
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:06 |
Anne married 1878 Gilpin Robert Penrith 10b 451 HODGSON Ann Penrith 10b 451
I guess I could buy the certificate see if that throws any light…..
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:07 |
Maylon, yes that’s Hannah’s mother and step father
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:15 |
Anne’s husband Robert Gilpin was resident at
1871 • Little Blencow, Cumberland, England
So I’m guessing Anne was still in the area
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ArgyllGran
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18 Sep 2021 17:31 |
??? Some of the later censuses give her birthplace as Greystoke.
Ann Hodgson in the 1871 England Census Name: Ann Hodgson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: 1855 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Greystoke Cumberland England Civil parish: Appleby St Michael and Bongate Town: Bongate County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Appleby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 122 Piece: 5269 Folio: 62 Page number: 28 Household Members Age Relationship Philip Hall 33 Head Elizabeth Hall 25 Wife Anne Hall 1 Daughter Ann Hodgson 16 Servant Thomas Morley 45 Boarder Robert Taylor 21 Boarder Edward Taylor 23 Boarder William Dobson 38 Boarder
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:37 |
Thank you ArgyllGran
I’ve just ordered Robert Gilpin/Ann Hodgson’s marriage certificate, if nothing else it’ll look forward to it arriving!!
I haven’t ordered certificates in ages, now I’ve ordered four in one day, it’s still as exciting as the first….
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:42 |
Dacre/Greystoke are almost one and the same, a small bunch of hamlets crossing boundaries all over the place
The registration district is Penrith for all of them
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 17:45 |
Wow I’ve just noticed you’ve found Ann in 1871, thank you so much ArgyllGran
I wonder why she was all the way out in Appleby!!!
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 18:18 |
So can anyone please find Hannah and her son William?
Thank you again ArgyllGran, I’m fairly sure that’s the Ann I wanted and couldn’t find for soooooo long x
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 18:25 |
I’m looking at this one but how do I prove it, If I buy marriage certificate it won’t help as my William was illegitimate!!!
Name: William Hodgson Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relationship to Head: Son in Law Spouse: Mary A. Hodgson Gender: Male Where born: Greystoke, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Penrith County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: 41 Strickland Gate Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coach Builder Registration District: Penrith ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5142 Folio: 43 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Esther Barker 60 William Hodgson 22 Mary A. Hodgson 20 Tom Barker 1
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ErikaH
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18 Sep 2021 18:39 |
Have you looked on the GRO site at the deaths in Penrith district for Hannah Hodgson pre-1869?
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Mistycat
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18 Sep 2021 18:59 |
Apologies Erika, I should have said….
I have looked, there are 3, can’t remember exact years now but all in that time, looking again they are all the wrong age to be my Hannah
I must admit I haven’t looked for a death for William though…..
***Edit….just checked for deaths for William, none are the correct ages to be him.
So both Hannah and William still missing
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ArgyllGran
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18 Sep 2021 21:23 |
Re that potential 1881 census record for William - I think that's likely to be correct:
There were only two William Hodgsons born in Penrith RD 1857-61 : the illegitimate one in 1858, which you're assuming is "your" William, and this one:
HODGSON, WILLIAM mmn BLENKINSHIP GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 324
This is that William in 1861:
William Hodgson in the 1861 England Census Name: William Hodgson Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Hodgson Mother's Name: Margaret Hodgson Gender: Male Where born: Skelton, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Lazonby County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Penrith Sub-registration District: Kirkoswald ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 33 Piece: 3905 Folio: 69 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age John Hodgson 56 - farmer [ in 1871 and 1881 he's a publican ] Margaret Hodgson 45 Thomas Hodgson 24 John Hodgson 21 Mary Hodgson 26 Joseph Hodgson 18 Margaret Hodgson 16 James Hodgson 11 Charles Hodgson 9 Jane Ann Hodgson 6 William Hodgson 4 Sarah Hodgson 1 Robert Nelson 16
HODGSON, JANE ANN mmn BLENKINSHIP GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 328
HODGSON, SARAH mmn BLENKINSHIP GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 360
HODGSON, CHARLES mmn BLENKINSHIP GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in PENRITH UNION Volume 10B Page 318
So I would guess this is that William in 1881 (he's with his parents in 1871, but not in 1881) , and that therefore the Greystoke man, who married Mary Ann Barker, is your William:
William Hodgson in the 1881 England Census Name: William Hodgson Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Sarah Hodgson Gender: Male Where born: Skelton, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Lazonby County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Platelayer Registration District: Penrith ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 5146 Folio: 78 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age William Hodgson 24 Sarah Hodgson 29 Joan Margaret Hodgson 1 George Glendinning 17
Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%) CRAIG Sarah Carlisle 10b 602 HODGSON William Carlisle 10b 602
I'm pretty sure William and Sarah's marriage cert would say that William's father was John, a publican - in which case the Hodgson/Barker marriage would be the correct one..
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) Barker Mary Ann Penrith 10b 620 Hodgson William Penrith 10b 620
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Mistycat
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26 Sep 2021 10:55 |
ArgyllGran, my apologies for slow reply, life got in the way!!
Yes, I completely agree with your thoughts, that’s the path I took too….thank for taking the time to assist
Misty x
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