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Can anyone please find Hannah and her children after 1861…

Last seen 1861 with mother Wilhelmina Kirkbride and step father George Kirkbride, I have Wilhelmina + George on all other census but no Hannah

1861

Name: Hannah Hodgson
[Hannah Kirkbride]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Kirkbride
Mother's Name: Willhallmina Kirkbride
Gender: Female
Where born: Dacre, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Newbiggin
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Penrith
Sub-registration District: Penrith
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 56
Piece: 3901
Folio: 63
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
George Kirkbride 47……nothing needed
Willhallmina Kirkbride 57…….nothing needed
Hannah Hodgson 25……everything needed after 1861
Anne Hodgson 6….only need 1871 census
William Hodgson 2….everything needed after 1861

Anne marries in 1878….I only need 1871 census for her, I have everything else

Many thanks x

Edit….
HODGSON, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 307
I believe this is my Williams birth

Presume you’ve checked whether Hannah married after 1861?

I can’t find a marriage for her but would be extremely thankful if you can

No baptisms are showing up for Anne or William which amazes me as all the rest of the family were baptised, maybe because they were illegitimate….

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Hodgson Wilhelmina Penrith 10b 519 Scan available - click to view
Kirkbride George Penrith 10b 519

Anne married 1878
Gilpin Robert Penrith 10b 451
HODGSON Ann Penrith 10b 451

I guess I could buy the certificate see if that throws any light…..

Maylon, yes that’s Hannah’s mother and step father

Anne’s husband Robert Gilpin was resident at

1871 • Little Blencow, Cumberland, England

So I’m guessing Anne was still in the area

???
Some of the later censuses give her birthplace as Greystoke.

Ann Hodgson
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ann Hodgson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Greystoke Cumberland England
Civil parish: Appleby St Michael and Bongate
Town: Bongate
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 5269
Folio: 62
Page number: 28
Household Members Age Relationship
Philip Hall 33 Head
Elizabeth Hall 25 Wife
Anne Hall 1 Daughter
Ann Hodgson 16 Servant
Thomas Morley 45 Boarder
Robert Taylor 21 Boarder
Edward Taylor 23 Boarder
William Dobson 38 Boarder

Thank you ArgyllGran

I’ve just ordered Robert Gilpin/Ann Hodgson’s marriage certificate, if nothing else it’ll look forward to it arriving!!

I haven’t ordered certificates in ages, now I’ve ordered four in one day, it’s still as exciting as the first….

Dacre/Greystoke are almost one and the same, a small bunch of hamlets crossing boundaries all over the place

The registration district is Penrith for all of them

Wow I’ve just noticed you’ve found Ann in 1871, thank you so much ArgyllGran

I wonder why she was all the way out in Appleby!!!

So can anyone please find Hannah and her son William?

Thank you again ArgyllGran, I’m fairly sure that’s the Ann I wanted and couldn’t find
for soooooo long x

I’m looking at this one but how do I prove it, If I buy marriage certificate it won’t help as my William was illegitimate!!!


Name: William Hodgson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Son in Law
Spouse: Mary A. Hodgson
Gender: Male
Where born: Greystoke, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Penrith
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 41 Strickland Gate
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Coach Builder
Registration District: Penrith
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5142
Folio: 43
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Esther Barker 60
William Hodgson 22
Mary A. Hodgson 20
Tom Barker 1

Have you looked on the GRO site at the deaths in Penrith district for Hannah Hodgson pre-1869?

Apologies Erika, I should have said….

I have looked, there are 3, can’t remember exact years now but all in that time, looking again they are all the wrong age to be my Hannah

I must admit I haven’t looked for a death for William though…..


***Edit….just checked for deaths for William, none are the correct ages to be him.

So both Hannah and William still missing

Re that potential 1881 census record for William - I think that's likely to be correct:


There were only two William Hodgsons born in Penrith RD 1857-61 :
the illegitimate one in 1858, which you're assuming is "your" William,
and this one:

HODGSON, WILLIAM mmn BLENKINSHIP
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 324

This is that William in 1861:

William Hodgson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Hodgson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Hodgson
Mother's Name: Margaret Hodgson
Gender: Male
Where born: Skelton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Lazonby
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Penrith
Sub-registration District: Kirkoswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 33
Piece: 3905
Folio: 69
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hodgson 56 - farmer [ in 1871 and 1881 he's a publican ]
Margaret Hodgson 45
Thomas Hodgson 24
John Hodgson 21
Mary Hodgson 26
Joseph Hodgson 18
Margaret Hodgson 16
James Hodgson 11
Charles Hodgson 9
Jane Ann Hodgson 6
William Hodgson 4
Sarah Hodgson 1
Robert Nelson 16

HODGSON, JANE ANN mmn BLENKINSHIP
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 328

HODGSON, SARAH mmn BLENKINSHIP
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 360

HODGSON, CHARLES mmn BLENKINSHIP
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in PENRITH UNION Volume 10B Page 318

So I would guess this is that William in 1881 (he's with his parents in 1871, but not in 1881) , and that therefore the Greystoke man, who married Mary Ann Barker, is your William:

William Hodgson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Hodgson
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Hodgson
Gender: Male
Where born: Skelton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Lazonby
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Platelayer
Registration District: Penrith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 5146
Folio: 78
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hodgson 24
Sarah Hodgson 29
Joan Margaret Hodgson 1
George Glendinning 17


Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
CRAIG Sarah Carlisle 10b 602
HODGSON William Carlisle 10b 602

I'm pretty sure William and Sarah's marriage cert would say that William's father was John, a publican - in which case the Hodgson/Barker marriage would be the correct one..

Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Barker Mary Ann Penrith 10b 620
Hodgson William Penrith 10b 620

ArgyllGran, my apologies for slow reply, life got in the way!!

Yes, I completely agree with your thoughts, that’s the path I took too….thank for taking the time to assist

Misty x