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John Report 18 Nov 2021 08:08

Have traced my grt grt grt gfather to a John Johnson (London) with a DOB 23/10/1797 and have his spouse as Elizabeth Kirke but have hit a brick wall trying to get anything relating to either of them.
Would like to get some details on their birth , marriage and death.

Any suggestions on where to look greatly appreciated

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Nov 2021 08:17

Have you tried family search site

They hold many parish records

As you have worked back to them you must have found them on some census

What about marriages for their children,hopefully one cert will indicate whether the father was deceased or not

Which of their children are you descended from ?

It’s finding records and putting some order to them to narrow down timelines


ErikaH Report 18 Nov 2021 08:26

Where did you get the DoB?

Until 1837, the only records were of baptisms

Which site did you use?

How did you find out his wife’s name?

Which of their children is your line? Name, year and place of birth, please.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Nov 2021 08:30


John Johnson
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: John Johnson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1818
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Enfield
Eliz Kirke

Provided in association with London Metropolitan Archives


Maddie Report 18 Nov 2021 12:00

a maybe

Father's first name(s) Thomas
Last name Kirke
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Birth date/age 9 Jun
County Middlesex
Baptism year 1798
Country England
Baptism date 04 Nov 1798
Record set Middlesex Baptisms
Place Hendon
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence -
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Relationship Daughter


alviegal Report 18 Nov 2021 12:54

This looks like the correct baptism record. Note the date you have is his Baptism not birth. Parish of Stepney. There are quite a few other Johns born and baptised around this time.

First name(s) John
Last name Johnson
Birth year 1797
Birth date 10 Jul 1797
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Mary
Baptism year 1797
Baptism date 23 Oct 1797
Piece description LONDON: Mile End Old Town, Sion Chapel Union Street (Count. of Huntingdon): Births & Baptisms
Denomination Countess Of Huntingdon's Connexion
Archive reference TNA/RG/4/4517
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England


Maddie Report 18 Nov 2021 13:20

Name: George Johnson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 6 May 1792
Marriage Place: St Mary, Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets, England
Elizabeth Mary Moore
Register Type: Parish Register