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1939 reg look up john hull st pancrss

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malyon

malyon Report 1 Dec 2021 21:57

please could someone lookup 1939 reg for john hull wife esther nee edwards
st pancras thank you

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2021 22:23

Do you have a year of birth please?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Dec 2021 22:24

Birth years?

Married 1915………..

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Dec 2021 22:26

Death in 1928 for Esther Hull 38 in St Pancras

Have you done any research?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Dec 2021 22:51

Five possible children born before 1939 in St Pancras.

Daughter Violet Frances (1926) died in 1930 in Islington.

Three sons, born 1919, 1920, 1923 - can't see any of them convincingly in 1939, though there are a couple of possibilities for the 1923 son.

The daughter Alice Esther, born in 1916, married in St Pancras in 1945.

Her future husband, Alan E C Percy, 27/10/1913, was in St Pancras in 1939.

Here's Alice , with wrong YOB - though no help with finding her father in 1939:

Alice Esther Hull
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alice Esther Hull [Alice Esther Percy]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1918
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 17 Marlin Square
Residence Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Line Number: 13
Schedule Number: 233
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: DFSD
Borough: Watford
Registration district: 140.1.20A
Household Members Age
George Moles 59
Mary Jane Moles 59
Alice Esther Hull 21
Eileen E Collins 14

malyon

malyon Report 1 Dec 2021 23:44

thank you that is the family

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2021 00:07

This is the 1923 son Frederick George - but not with his father in 1939:

Frederick Hull
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Frederick Hull
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1923
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 6
Residence Place: Islington, London, England
Occupation: Factory Hand
Line Number: 34
Schedule Number: 55
Sub Schedule Number: 6
Enumeration District: ALNC
Borough: Islington
Registration district: 10-4
Household Members Age
Alfred W Aldris 45
Annie Aldris 49
Alfred Aldris 16
Terence S Aldris 2
Frederick Hull 16


Frederick George Hull
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frederick George Hull
Death Age: 54
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1923
Registration Date: Apr 1977[May 1977] [Jun 1977]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 1547


HULL, FREDERICK GEORGE mmn EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1923 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 137

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2021 00:19

Do you have John's marriage cert, or any of the children's birth certs, to see his age or occupation, or father's name?


This is the only John Hull in St Pancras without a middle name, of a reasonably possible age, and not otherwise accounted for before Esther's death - but of course, your John may not have still been living in St Pancras.

Nor do I see a remarriage 1928-39 to an Ann* - nor to anybody:

John Hull
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: John Hull
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 6 Sep 1876
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 223 Hampstead Road
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Occupation: Horse Carmen
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 27
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ASBG
Borough: St Pancras
Registration district: 9/1
Inferred Spouse:
Annie Hull
Household Members Age
John Hull 63
Annie Hull 68 - 24 May 1871

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Dec 2021 11:44

Just because it came up

Esther Hull
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014

Name: Esther Hull
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1928
Burial or Cremation Date: 25 Sep 1928
Burial or Cremation Place: Camden, London, England
URL: https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1799355

malyon

malyon Report 2 Dec 2021 13:42

yes thats her death thank you

Maddie

Maddie Report 2 Dec 2021 14:09

son - Henry
District Greenwich
Last name Hull
County London
Gender Male
Volume 12
Birth day 9
Page 1073
Birth month 11
Country England
Birth year 1920
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 4
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1974

Henry
Country England
Last name Hull
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 4
Page 198
Birth year 1920
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Edwards
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Pancras
Subcategory Civil Births
County London

Name: Henry Hull
Birth Date: abt 1920
Age: 54
Death Date: 13 Oct 1974
Burial Date: 18 Oct 1974
Burial Place: Erith, Kent, England
Cemetery: Erith Cemetery
Grave Number: GG 215

Name
Henry Hull
Registration Date
Jul 1947
Registration Quarter
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district
Woolwich
Inferred County
London
Spouse
Rosina Burnett
Volume Number
5d
Page number
2626

Name
Rosina Burnett
Registration Date
Oct 1926
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district
Dartford
Inferred County
Kent
Mother's Maiden Name
Mantell
Volume Number
2a
Page number
974

HULL, ROSINA 1926
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2011 in KENT (564-1N) Entry Number 504937574

Maddie

Maddie Report 2 Dec 2021 14:52

IF he was born St Pancras and IF was about Esters age

a possibility

John
Country England
Last name Hull
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 4
Page 30
Birth year 1892
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Fitchett
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Pancras
Subcategory Civil Births
County London

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Lyon Street, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

William Hull Head
Married Male 40 1861 Coach painter Paddington, Middlesex, England
Rose Hull Wife
Married Female 42 1859 - Islington, Middlesex, England
John Hull Son
- Male 9 1892 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
May Hull Daughter
- Female 8 1893 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
Freddy Hull Son
- Male 2 1899 - Islington, Middlesex, England

think you need his marriage cert

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Dec 2021 15:03

When was john hull born ?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2021 16:23

Malyon -
apart from the marriage record, everything we've posted about men named John Hull is just guesswork until you get the marriage cert for his age, occupation, and father's name.



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2021 16:46

Maddie posted 1901 for a John Hull 1892 - but not the right birth record for that man.

And he's not the John you're looking for, in any case - he had middle name Frederick, and died in 1917.


John Hull
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Hull
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Paddington
Civil Parish: Islington
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Hollingsworth St, Islington N
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Carman
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration District: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 869
Household Members:
Name Age
Rose Hull 48
John Hull 19 - Paddington
May Hull 18
Frederick Hull 13
William Henry Hull 5


This is that John's birth:

HULL, JOHN FREDERICK mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 50


His mother's first marriage:

Rose Clarke
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: Rose Clarke
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 8 Aug 1875
Marriage Place: All Souls,St Marylebone,London,England
Spouse: John Ray


Her second marriage:

Rose Ray
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Rose Ray [Rose Clark]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 41
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1858
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1899
Marriage Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: John Clark
Spouse: William Hull
Register Type: Parish Register


John's siblings' births:

HULL, FREDERICK WILLIAM mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 303

HULL, MAY CHARLOTTE mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 26

HULL, WILLIAM HENRY mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 514


He died in 1917:

John Frederick Hull
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: John Frederick Hull
Birth Place: Paddington, Middlesex
Residence: South Tottenham, Middlesex
Death Date: 4 Mar 1917
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Mill Hill, Middlesex
Rank: Private
Regiment: East Surrey Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Regimental Number: 32374
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre