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Elsie Agnes Barber b 1919

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Lisa Report 10 Jan 2022 21:08

Elsie (my late grandmother) was born "out of wedlock" in 1919. I don't know who her father was. Her mother, Mabel Agnes, is registered at London addresses on both the 1911 and 1921 censuses; she married in 1920 and had three other children. However, Elsie is nowhere to be found on the 1921 census, not with her mother nor her grandparents. The obvious answer is that she was adopted, but the name on her marriage certificate (1939) is Elsie Barber.
Has anyone got any ideas/suggestions?.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Jan 2022 21:33

Elsie A Barber
Registration Date: Jul 1919
[Aug 1919]
[Sep 1919]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Mother's Maiden Name: Barber
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 929

Who did she marry ?


ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 21:41

She married John William Strutt in St Germans RD, Cornwall, and died in Cornwall in 2011.

However, that doesn't help answer Lisa's question!


nameslessone Report 10 Jan 2022 21:41

You won’t find out who her father is unless there are family documents.

It might have been an unofficial adoption or fostering g and her papers would have been in her registered name but might have used the new fami,y name as a child for ease.

My family changed its name in the past. The eldest and youngest used the new name, the middle child had a late marriage and used the old name.


Kay???? Report 10 Jan 2022 22:21

Shot in the dark could be a transcription error.

Battersea, London, England
London, Surrey


ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 22:49

Elsie Barker is with William 1882, Rose 1881, Stanley 1906, and 3 others - if that's any help!

After some research, that's this child:

GRO Reference: 1919 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 1118

GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 596

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
Barker William James Wandsworth 1d 1366
BELCHER Rose Harriet Wandsworth 1d 1366


greyghost Report 10 Jan 2022 22:55

1939 Register
40 Savoy Road, Bristol, Bristol C.B., Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
John W Strutt 05 Jun 1915 Male Police Officer Married 103 1
Elsie A Strutt 18 Jun 1919 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 103 2
Joseph Long 20 Apr 1878 Male Independent Means Registered Blind Single 103 3
Minnie R Harper (Harvey) 06 Nov 1889 Female House Keeper Of Above Single 103 4

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Barber Elsie A Strutt St.Germans 5c 127
Strutt John W Barber St.Germans 5c 127


ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 23:14

Lisa -
You say Elsie isn't with her mother or grandparents.
Have you also worked through all the aunts and uncles in 1921, in case she's with any of them?

Mabel Agnes Barber
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mabel Agnes Barber
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Country: England
Street Address: 7A Vallier Road, College Park, London N W
Occupation: Daily Domestic
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration District: North Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 225
Household Members:
Name Age
George Barber 50
Jane Barber 49
Ernest William Barber 20
Henry Alfred Barber 18
Mabel Agnes Barber 15
Albert Edward Barber 9
Ethel Barber 7
Victor Barber 4

Hmmm - is this relevant??

Elsie A Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Elsie A Evans
Registration Date: 1994
[Jul 1994]
Registration District: St. Germans
Inferred County: Cornwall
Spouse: John W Strutt
Volume Number: 368
Page Number: 835
Entry Number: 059

Here's the 1939 marriage:

Elsie A Barber
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Elsie A Barber
Registration Date: Jul 1939[Aug 1939] [Sep 1939]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: St. Germans
Inferred County: Cornwall
Spouse: John W Strutt
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 127

Did they remarry with Elsie under a different name for some reason, just before John died ??

John William Strutt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John William Strutt
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 5 Jun 1915
Registration Date: Mar 1995
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Register Number: B49A
District and Subdistrict: 4161B
Entry Number: 230


ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 23:22

Re my last post -

it looks as if they divorced, and then remarrried in 1994:

Marriages Jun 1971 (>99%)
EVANS William A STRUTT Plymouth 7a 1793
STRUTT Elsie A EVANS Plymouth 7a 1793

I had wondered briefly if perhaps Evans was an alternative surname from childhood which might have helped find her in 1921 - but no, it wasn't.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Jan 2022 01:56

Where was she actually born? Wandsworth district covers also Battersea, Clapham, E, Putney, Southfields, Springfield, Streatham and Tooting.



Lisa Report 12 Jan 2022 17:51

Hello all - gosh thank you for all your efforts. I didn't get any notification of replies to my email so didn't know they were here, so sorry for the delay.

Apologies, I should probably have explained more. Yes Elsie married John Strutt in 1939 and they divorced, she married Arthur Evans, who subsequently died and she and John remarried in 94. So the more recent stuff is all clear (to me anyway!) - though I'm interested in the fact that the 39 register has them in Bristol (which is where my mum was born) whereas they married in Cornwall (where I was brought up and where they returned to live in about 1945). I have no idea who the other occupants of the Bristol house are, either. My mum might know I guess.

I'm fairly confident that the Barker is not relevant - I had seen that also - but thank you anyway.

Re checking with sisters/brothers - I will do that but I think it's unlikely because I should still have found her on the census under her own name?

The reason for the search is because I wanted to find out who her father was and whether there are any other relatives on his side. Her mother, Mabel Agnes, married fairly shortly after Elsie was born, and went on to have 3 other children, but my feeling is if her husband was Elsie's father then she would have been with them? She would not discuss her childhood while she was alive - it seems she had a bit of a miserable time - so I waited until after she died to investigate, but seems I've hit a bit of a wall.


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 17:53

You don’t receive notifications on GR - it isn’t like FB