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John Oliver

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Roy

Roy Report 24 Feb 2022 22:23

Thanks all, a lot of different information which was to be expected considering the lack of information I had. I will have to troll through all of it and see where I end up. I think I will have to put a post on Johns family sheet so I can come back yo it.
Roy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 15:33

Roy - remember that "information" on someone's tree isn't necessarily correct - it's often not.

Much of the info on that tree posted by Maddie has no proof attached, so may or may not be accurate.
There are several trees showing this family.

Just one of many reasons for doubt:
the tree Maddie posted mentions a son John born 1753.
Another tree also claims that, and adds that he died 1838.

But the only "proof" offered is a gravestone inscription - which has different dates on it, so is immediately suspect. :

UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: John Oliver
Birth Date : 1754
Death Date: 1841
Cemetery: St. Menefreda Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place
St Minver Highlands, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
Spouse: Catherine Oliver


The children baptised in St Ervan (Richard and James) are stated to be brothers of John 1753 - but we can't say that definitely, as the mother's maiden surname isn't given on their baptism records.

Another tree says that John 1753 died in 1841, which almost matches the gravestone info (but still doesn't prove he's a son of John and Elizabeth ) - but then the tree gives an 1851 census sample as "proof" of the existence of a man who died in 1841! And the census sample is for a man aged 35, so born c1816.

And so on.

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 Feb 2022 13:21

only relevant birth ???
Film No 90242
Day Month ?-Feb
Year 1718
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Columb Minor, St.
Forename Elizabeth
Surname WARMINGTON
Sex dau
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename Edward
Mother Forename Mary
Residence
Parish
Status Or Occupation
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes src: Bodmin BTs
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 Feb 2022 12:29


Name: John Oliver
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1752
Marriage Place: Mawgan In Pyder,Cornwall,England
Spouse:
Eliz. Warmington

John
Country England
Last name Oliver
Father's first name(s) John
Gender Male
Father's last name Oliver
Birth year -
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Birth place -
Mother's last name -
Baptism year 1727
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 09 Apr 1727
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Mawgan in Pyder
Subcategory Parish
Baptisms
County Cornwall

Day Month 21-May
Year 1750
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Minver, St.
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn OLIVER
Groom Age
Groom Residence
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M)
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Bridget
Bride Sn DOUBT
Bride Age
Bride Residence
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M)
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L)
Witness Fn1
Witness Sn1
Witness Fn2
Witness Sn2
Other Information
Transcriber Notes src:Phillimore
Transcriber S Axen

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 Feb 2022 12:13

from a tree on ancestry,
father john

Birth
1727 • Newquay, Mawgan In Pydar, Cornwall, England

1727
Christening
9 Apr 1727 • Newquay, Mawgan In Pydar, Cornwall, England

1727
Baptism
9 Apr 1727 • Mawgan IN Pydar,Cornwall,England

17303
Birth of brother William Oliver(1730–1787)
1730

17325
Birth of brother Henry Oliver(1732–)
1732 • Mawgan-in-Pydar, Cornwall, England

175225
Marriage
27 Nov 1752 • St Mawgan in Pydar, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Warmington

175326
Birth of son John Oliver(1753–1838)
1753

175629
Birth of daughter Martha Oliver(1756–)
1756

176134
Birth of son Henry Oliver(1761–)
1761 • St Eval, Cornwall, England,

176235
Death of sister Joyce Oliver(1718–1762)
25 Jan 1762 • St Issey, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom

176336
Birth of son James Oliver(1763–)
1763

176538
Death of mother Bridget(–1765)
1765 • Mawgan-in-Pydar, Cornwall, England

176639
Birth of son Richard Oliver(1766–)
1766

177144
Death of father John Oliver(1686–1771)
1771 • St Mawgan In Pydar, Cornwall, England

177346
Death of sister Mary Oliver(1724–1773)
1773 • St Mawgan In Pydar, Cornwall, England

178356
Death of brother James Oliver(1721–1783)
1783 • St Mawgan In Pydar, Cornwall, England

178760
Death of brother William Oliver(1730–1787)
1787 • Mawgan-in-Pydar, Cornwall, England

1838111
Death of son John Oliver(1753–1838)

?
Day Month 01-Feb
Year 1771
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Mawgan in Pydar
Forename John
Surname OLIVER
Age
Residence
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Karen Duvall




nameslessone

nameslessone Report 24 Feb 2022 12:01

Have searched the Cornwall opc database? I find it excellent.

Maddie

Maddie Report 24 Feb 2022 11:52

FMP version
Henry
County Cornwall
Last name Oliver
Country England
Age 54
Entry number 381
Birth year 1767
Archival reference FP13 1/13
Death year 1821
Record set Cornwall Burials
Burial year 1821
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 27 Dec 1821
Subcategory Parish Burials
Burial place Bodmin
Collections from England, Great Britain
Residence Bodmin

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 10:12

Possible death of the man who married Elizabeth Hoskin - BUT only another stab in the dark, as there's no indication of age:


Henry Oliver
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Henry Oliver
Gender: Male
Death Date: abt 1821
Burial Date: 27 Dec 1821
Burial Place: Bodmin, Cornwall, England
FHL Film Number: 1545323
Reference ID: p 48

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 10:02

Possible baptism of the man who married Elizabeth Warmington - just a stab in the dark:

John Oliver
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Oliver
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1727
Baptism Place: Mawgan IN Pydar,Cornwall,England
Father: John Oliver
Mother: Bridget

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 08:18

Henry's marriage, which you mention:

Henry Oliver
Vital • England, Cornwall Parish Registers, 1538-2010
View Record
Name Henry Oliver
Spouse's Name Elizth Hoskin
Marriage Date 21 Jul 1793
Marriage Place Bodmin, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
Page 122

"Both of this parish"

Witnesses: William Tamblyn and Rufus (?) Butler

No parents' names given.

Bodmin's about 33 miles from Newquay.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 08:11

A(nother) possible child ?? (Just because of birthplace)

Martha Oliver
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Martha Oliver
Sex Female
Christening Date 7 Mar 1756
Christening Place Mawgan in Pyder, Cornwall, England
Christening Place (Original) St. Mawgan-In-Pyder, Cornwall, England
Father's Name John Oliver
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elisabeth
Mother's Sex Female



There are other Oliver baptisms (1752-1770) with parents John & Elizabeth in St Ervan (approx 7 miles from Mawgan), Probus (about 15 miles from Mawgan), and Manaccan (c45miles away, so not very likely). Also Saint Hilary, but not likely as about 40 miles away.

You can find all these on FamilySearch.

The St Ervan baptisms are:

Richard - 24 Aug 1766
James - 24 April (or March - handwriting is hard to read) 1763

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 07:55

The baptism of the child you think is theirs:

Henry Olaver
Vital • England, Cornwall Parish Registers, 1538-2010
View Record
Name Henry Olaver
Sex Male
Baptism Date 1761
Baptism Place St Eval, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
Father's Name John Olaver
Father's Residence Place St Erness
Mother's Name Elizbth Olaver


Do you have any proof that this child is theirs?

There are quite a number of baptisms of Oliver children in various places in Cornwall, with parents named John and Elizabeth.

St Eval is certainly quite near to Mawgan-in-Pydar - roughly 4 miles.
And approx 8 miles from Newquay.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Feb 2022 07:49

John Oliver
Vital • England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name John Oliver
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Eliz. Warmington
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 27 Nov 1752
Marriage Place Mawgan in Pyder, Cornwall, England (about 6 miles from Newquay)

You can find that on Familysearch:

https://www.familysearch.org

You have to register, but it's free to use.

Roy

Roy Report 24 Feb 2022 06:50

This is a really desperate request. I am looking for a far far off relative. All I know about these people is the date of there marriage and their sons name.
My relative is JOHN OLIVER and he was married to ELIZABETH WARMINGTON on 27/11/1752. I do not know where but I would imagine it was in Cornwall England and possibly in Newquay.
There son, the only one I know of, was called HENRY OLIVER and he was born in Newquay in 1761 at a place called St Eval. His wife was ELIZABETH HOSKINS and she was born in 1766 at a place called Cardinham, Bodmin, Cornwall. They were married in 1793 in Bodmin.
I realise this is a way out there request but I have seen stranger things get sorted so here goes with fingers crossed.

Roy