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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 May 2022 12:53

We need facts from the OP - the 1939 register transcription to which she referred would be an obvious starting point

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 5 May 2022 12:40

Whoops went to edit and accidentally deleted

Manged to go back and copy the post

Sooooo


Are you sure she was Sophia Simpson born Yorkshire

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103 London Road, Chelmsford, Chelmsford M.B., Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Harold B C Wright 24 Aug 1906 Male Branch Officer Manager Retail Millinery & Outfitting Stone Married 43 1
Sophie V Wright 13 Feb 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 43 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

Miss Sophie Valerie Simpson


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Name: Miss Sophie Valerie Simpson
Gender: Female
Residence Place: I. Landscape-View
Occupation: Nurse
Employer:Safron Walden Isolation Hospital
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1935
Parents: Simpson
Spouse:
Harold Benjamin Wright
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First name(s) Sophie Valerie
District Cambridge
Last name Wright
County Cambridgeshire
Gender Female
Volume 4A
Birth day 13
Page 589
Birth month 2
Country England
Birth year 1907
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 2
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1970
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Sophie Valerie Wright
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Name: Sophie Valerie Wright
Birth Date: 1907
Death Date: Apr 1970
Cemetery: Saffron Walden Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Saffron Walden, Uttlesford District, Essex, England
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123002451/sophie-valerie-wright



Name: Sophie Valerie Wright
Register Type: Cremation
Death Date: abt 1970
Burial or Cremation Date: 13 Apr 1970
Burial or Cremation Place: Cambridgeshire, England
URL: https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=602508

So looks like cremated in Cambridgeshire and ashes interred in saffron Walden

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 May 2022 12:27

As well as ruling out the 1925 Simpson/Simpson child registered in Driffield, we can also rule out the one born in 1926.

He's with (presumably) his mother in 1939.
As happens so often in the 1939 Register, his stated age is out by one year.


Clive Simpson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Clive Simpson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1927
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Church Str. Kilham
Residence Place: Driffield, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Occupation: At School
Line Number: 21
Schedule Number: 18
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: Jcfl
Borough: Driffield
Registration district: 519/2
Household Members Age
Thomas Frost 70
Henrietta Frost 82
Martha F Simpson 45 - single, 3 Feb 1894, domestic duties housekeeper
Clive Simpson 12
This record is officially closed.
Fred J Morgantroy 55


Martha F was born as Florence Martha in 1894 Driffield.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 May 2022 12:11

Death of the woman from the 1939 posted above

Wright
Sophie Valerie
1907
1970
1970
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 May 2022 10:45

There is NO marriage in 1936 for Sophia/Sophie Simpson recorded on freebmd

Incidentally, her birth was registered as Sophia ANN, as per 1911 census posted on page one

Please tell us WHO the woman married

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 5 May 2022 10:36

Who did she marry in 1936 ?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 May 2022 10:31

Four Simpson/Simpson births registered in Driffield district 1925-1932

The certs will give you mother's name.

Death of the one born 1925 - and in any case, she was legitimate

Igoe
Olive Doreen

2015
2015
England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Yorkshire, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 5 May 2022 10:22

Still at home with her parents in 1921 aged 14 years 4 months
, Hutton Cranswick & Rotsea, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Fred Simpson Head Male 1869 52 Yorkshire, England Farm Worker Ben Hansam Farmer Skerne
Mary Simpson Wife Female 1867 53 Norfolk, England At Home At H -
Sophia Simpson Daughter Female 1906 14 Yorkshire, England At Home -
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 5 May 2022 10:13

Mother was Sophia not Sophie

Name: Sophia Ann Simpson
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hutton Cranswick, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Hutton Cranswick
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Country: England
Street Address: Hutton Cramswick Beverley S O
Registration District Number: 525
Sub-registration District: Driffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 28856
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Simpson 42
Mary Ann Simpson 47
Sophia Ann Simpson 4

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 5 May 2022 10:09

Have you looked on freebmd for any births Simpson mmn Simpson

Mind you unless you know where they lived in may be too many to identify

Nicola

Nicola Report 4 May 2022 23:43

Hi Erika the mother Sophie Simpson was born in 1906 Hutton Cranswick, Yorkshire. Sophie's mother's maiden name was Adcock born Pulham St Mary, Norfolk and Sophie's father Fred Simpson was born abt 1867 in Yorkshire.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Mar 2022 10:13

DNA only works if both parties add their results to the same database

How old was the mother in 1939?

Nicola

Nicola Report 22 Mar 2022 20:51

The lady I am trying to help was born in 1944 and the rumoured child was born before her parents marriage in 1936, she thinks between 1928 - 1932. I did ask if she had any memory of the elder siblings or any old photos that might include an extra child but she doesn't remember anything, just told by a relative some years ago. She doesn't want to pursue it any further and seemed a bit disheartend, expected to find instant results from her DNA... My help here is done, thanks all.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Mar 2022 10:47

I've changed "possibly" to "likely", Shirley!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Mar 2022 10:25

Argyll

Oh I hope so!

I was born in 1937 and still fighting to be here lol

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Mar 2022 08:51

She can keep checking every now and then, in case the record is opened if/when the person's death is picked up.

A child born in 1936 is very likely still living.

If the rumoured 1936 child was brought up by the mother and stepfather, then unless your contact is very much younger than her 1937 brother, I would have thought she would remember another child in the family .
If she doesn't, then either the closed record isn't that child, or else the child was maybe adopted or otherwise farmed out, after Sept 1939 but before your contact's childhood memories began.

EDIT:

Following your next post, on 22 March, I now see that I misread your opening post.
It was the parents' marriage which was in 1936, and not the child's birth.

Nicola

Nicola Report 20 Mar 2022 23:06

Thank you Kay, I understand that it is only possible to potentially get one closed record opened with her brothers death cert. No hope of finding out if the other closed record is the rumoured unknown child.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 20 Mar 2022 18:22

They will only open the closed record for the matched named person which the death certificate applies to,!

. any more closed records will **stay closed **unless proof of death can be supplied...


Nicola

Nicola Report 19 Mar 2022 15:36

Thank you for the info as regards the form. I will relay the information to the lady and help her get one of the closed entries opened , I know she has the information required to do that. I have searched BMD for her potential missing sibling but with a common surnames and no clear area it's impossible. I think getting one of the closed records opened is the only next step for her. Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2022 10:21

Looking briefly at the form you have to fill in, it doesn't look as if you have to specify which closed record you think it is.

You need the person's name and the address.

Have a look at the form to see what info is needed - either of the links I posted.