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Sarah Gilbert 1868

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2022 14:08

The above family in 1901 and 1911:

William Bray
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: William Bray
Age in 1901: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse: Sarah J Bray
Gender: Male
Where Born: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Neath
Town: Neath
Ecclesiastical parish: Llantwit and Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Neath
Sub-registration District: Neath
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 143
Piece: 5058
Folio: 114
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bray 32
Sarah J Bray 28 - Briton-Ferry, Glamorgan
William H Bray 8
David S Bray 6
Rachel A Bray 5
Adam Bray 3
Mary Res 21


David William Bray
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: David William Bray
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 14 Eastgate Terrace Union Rd Neath [ 17 on image ]
Marital status: Widowed
Years Married: 20
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891
Occupation: Warehouseman
Registration District: Neath
Registration District Number: 592
Sub-registration District: Neath
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household Schedule Number: 207
Piece: 32638
Household Members:
Name Age
David William Bray 40
David Samuel Bray 16
Rachel Ann Bray 15
Adam Bray 13
Bessie Bray 5

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2022 14:03

Just for ELIMINATION of John Henry 1903-4 -

I think he's the son of this couple:

David William Bray
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: David William Bray
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Neath
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1196
Records on Page:
Name
David William Bray
Sarah Jane Gillott


The family (though not all of them at once) are on 1901 and 1911 censuses (see next post) .
1911 says that they had 10 children, of whom 6 had died.

Births of 10 children (if including John Henry):

BRAY, ADAM mmn GILLARD
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 790

BRAY, WILLIAM HENRY mmn GILLOT
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 780

BRAY, RACHAEL ANN mmn GILLERT
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 867

BRAY, EMILY WINIFRED mmn GILLARY
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 947

BRAY, ADAM mmn GILLERT
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 887

BRAY, GEORGE HENRY mmn GILLETT
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 815

BRAY, ELIZABETH ANN mmn GILLETT
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 978

BRAY, IDRIS mmn GILLOT
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 1079


David Samuel's birth doesn't come up on the GRO site:

David Samuel Bray
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: David Samuel Bray
Registration Date: 1894
Quarter of the Year: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales
Volume: 11a
Page: 822a



Deaths before 1911 census - 6 children (if including John Henry) and also the mother:

Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
Bray Adam 0 Neath 11a 390

Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Bray George Henry 0 Neath 11a 553

Early 1910 was a terrible time for the family:

Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%)
BRAY David William 17 Neath 11a 546
BRAY Emily Winifred 8 Neath 11a 550
BRAY Idris 2 Neath 11a 545
BRAY Sarah Jane 38 Neath 11a 552

I don't see the birth of David William who died in 1910 - but perhaps he is William Henry 1892 , who is on the 1901 census but I can't see him later.

He's definitely the same family, as the burial record gives the address of all four who died in 1910 as 17 Eastgate Terrace.
David and Idris were both buried on Feb 15th 1910.
Emily Winifred was buried on March 12th, and Sarah Jane on March 22nd.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 May 2022 17:44

No Bray/Gilbert marriage in the area/timescale on freebmd...............,which proves nothing, of course

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2022 17:34

Sadly, that looks like the marriage of another wrong Sarah:

Sarah A Bray
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Sarah A Bray
Age in 1901: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 <<<<<<<<<<
Relation: Wife
Spouse: James H Bray
Gender: Female
Where Born: Bideford, Devon, England <<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Swansea
Town: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Swansea
Sub-registration District: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 70
Piece: 5075
Folio: 79
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James H Bray 62
Sarah A Bray 58


Can't comment on the birth/death of the child - presumably the child of a different couple.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 May 2022 14:52

Speculating...................

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
Bray James Henry Swansea 11a 1423
Lewis Sarah Ann Swansea 11a 1423


BRAY, JOHN HENRY (MMN) GILBERT
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in NEATH Volume 11A Page 994

Name: John Henry Bray
Death Age: 7 Months
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: 1903
Death Date: abt 1904
Burial Date: 10 Mar 1904
Burial Place: Cadoxton-Juxta-Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 May 2022 13:30

Malyon -

Unfortunately, it's a common name.

Seven women named Sarah Ann/Anne/A Lewis married in Swansea between 1895 and 1911 alone.

And another 19 with no middle name stated.

Looking at the 1898 marriage you suggest, that woman married Griffith John Jones, and according to the 1911 census, she was born in 1879.

malyon

malyon Report 18 May 2022 23:02

could sarah have married again
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
JONES Griffith John Swansea 11a 1457
Lewis Sarah Ann Swansea 11a 1457
Lewis Susannah Swansea 11a 1457
REES William Swansea 11a 1457

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2022 16:38

Birth

GILBERT, SARAH ANN (MMN) DOLEMAN
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 541

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2022 08:58

Just to establish

Name: Henry Lewis
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 18 Nov 1892
Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1893
Baptism Place: Swansea St Mary, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father:
John Henry Lewis
Mother:
Sarah Ann Lewis
Page number: 89

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2022 08:52

Have you tried finding records for him at the home

Don’t know if this will help

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Swansea/#Homes

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 17 May 2022 17:26

Hi Erika

I did that sometime ago but the didn't know anything about her just her details.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 May 2022 15:24

If they are in GR trees, you can find them by looking at ‘search all member trees’

EDITED

She’s in at least one tree - send a message and hope that the person’s e-mail is still the one he registered with `GR

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 17 May 2022 14:35

A long shot but can anyone in this group help?
I can’t find a death record for my g grandmother Sarah Ann Lewis formerly Gilbert. She was born in Darlaston in 1868 and married John Lewis in Swansea on 5/1/1892. My grandad Henry Lewis was born 18/11/189. John died in an accident on 21/12/1895. Although John had parents and siblings, my grandad Henry ended up aged 3 in the Cockett Homes for destitute children. Sarah disappears from the records and her father Thomas Gilbert eventually finds his grandson seven years later and takes him out of the home to live with him in Evesham. It’s such a sad story and I’d like to know what happened to Sarah, and why his Welsh grandparents and uncles and aunts didn’t take him in he was 3 years old and it breaks my heart that this happened.
Just on the off chance anyone might have any of these ancestors in their tree and have any information which may help solve this mystery, thank you in advance.