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Frederick James William Lyle

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Virginia

Virginia Report 8 Jun 2022 10:38

This is my half uncle. I am trying to find his death date. He was born in 1910 in Lancashire. He never married. The last trace I have is that he was showing on the 1965 electoral register in London but nothing after that.

Any help in finding his date and place of death would be appreciated.

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Jun 2022 11:46

1939 with date of birth which may or may not help.

1939 Register
Gwynne Road, Sands End, Hammersmith And Fulham, Battersea, London, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Albert E Lyle 29 May 1913 Male Grave Digger Hw Married 103 1
Frederick J W Lyle 15 Sep 1910 Male Barge Builder Helper Hw Single 103 2

alviegal

alviegal Report 8 Jun 2022 11:54

This death is 2 days out with his birth but a possible?

Name: Frederick James Lyle
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 17 Sep 1910
Registration Date: Jun 1992
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 411

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Jun 2022 12:13

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results

Probate record for the above man

Frederick James Lyle of (address SW11) died 13 June 1992 Administration London 30 July

No will, but you could hopefully get a copy of the administration documents which might hold a clue? £1.50 via the site. Full address on site.

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jun 2022 12:16

That death seems very likely, as your Frederick is the only Frederick J Lyle born in England/Wales 1900-1920, and there were none in Scotland 1900-1920.

Virginia

Virginia Report 8 Jun 2022 13:44

Thank a couple of years back I did order the death certificate for Frederick James Lyle and it was not the person.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2022 16:41

As his record is open on the 1939 register then his death must have been picked up

Why was the death cert not him ?

Do you have his birth cert for his actual birthdate ?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2022 16:46

LYLE, FREDERICK JAMES WILLIAM HAWKES
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 610


So an oct/dec qtr birth reg would equate with a mid sept birth


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2022 16:48

Joined up after 1939

Frederick James William
Country England
Last name Lyle
Record set British Army, Royal Engineers 1900-1949
Enlistment year 1940
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regimental number 1991434
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Regiment Royal Engineers
Collections from England, Great Britain

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2022 16:57

Are you sure he didn’t marry cos he seems to be on the electoral rolls in Battersea consistently and with an Irene I M Lyle

Detail Source
Name: Frederick J W Lyle
Electoral Date: 1961
Street Address: 48 Inworth Street
[48 Home Road]
Ward or Division/Constituency:
[Battersea North]
County or Borough: Wandsworth, England
[Wandsworth]

Also with a miss Anne M Lyle

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jun 2022 17:48

Irene I M Lyle was the wife of his brother Albert, with whom he's listed in 1939.



Marriages Mar 1938 (>99%)
Durrant Irene I M Lyle Battersea 1d 521
Lyle Albert E Durrant Battersea 1d 521

Frederick's with other Lyles as well over the years, from the 1940s, always at the same address - 48 Home Road.

Miss Anne M Lyle married in 1965, to the man who's listed with the Lyles in 1961 ER.
I think she was born as Marguerite in 1938, daughter of Albert and Irene,

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2022 23:10

Ah that’s interesting so he living with his sister in law and family!

Seems Albert was killed in ww2

It would be interesting why the death cert for Frederick wasn’t thought to be the right one !

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Jun 2022 23:59

Frederick's address at death (per the probate record) was John Kirk House, Mantua Street, Battersea - a sheltered housing complex.

That's only half a mile from Home Road where he lived for at least 20 years, per ERs.

I'm sure the 1992 death is the right one!