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George Meads 1823.

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Terence

Terence Report 10 Sep 2022 04:05

Initially trying to find ancestor's house numbers in Bovingdon's Green, Marlow, Buckinghamshire, I've come across a George Meads1823. He is listed as nephew to "aunt' Mary Heath late 1790's (MN Thompson) in the 1871 and 1881 census'.
The George Meads, born late1822 I do have, married Emma Sayer and died in late 1871, leaving 3 Daughters.
With other ancestors living at Bovingdon;s Green at the same time, I cannot place this other George Meads1823!
I have Joseph Meads1820 there in the 1871 & 1881 census'..
Also William Meads1827 also there in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census'.

I cannot place Mary Heath or George1823 in my 'tree'. She (first name Susanna?) originates from Middlesex and seems to have married a Joseph Heath1799 in Marlow on 12/11/1823. Then widowed before 1861 and being in Bisham, Cookham, Berkshire, then as a "Fund Holder", previously a School Mistress.
In Marlow, listed as an "Annuitant" .

Lastly, I can't find it now, but I think I found a George benefiting from probate of a woman called ? ? Peach. A miss spelling of Heath?!?

I appreciate this is a big request, but can anyone help with all this please.

Terence Meads. South Australia.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 10 Sep 2022 08:41

For info: Terence has a number of threads on this family.

Terence, what makes you think there were house numbers? I used to live in a small village and houses were often known by the name of the occupier rather than the house name or number. Only the postman knew them by those.

Bovingdon Green is still referred to as a hamlet and currently only has a popullation of 32.000

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Sep 2022 08:46

Houses in villages and hamlets didn’t have house numbers

Not many had street names either

It’s still the same now !

My friend lives in a hamlet in Wiltshire and her house just has a name and it’s in a unnamed land with 5 other name only houses

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 10 Sep 2022 08:50

A little research goes a long way.

In 1833 there were only 6 households - no need for numbers!

https://marlowancestors.blogspot.com/2021/07/bovingdon-green-in-1800s.html

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2022 08:57

Posting for helpers' reference:

George Meads
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Meads
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Boingdons Green
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Gen Dealer
Registration District: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1466
Folio: 109
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Heath 82 - widow, annuitant, Vauxhall, Surrey
George Meads 58 - general dealer


Geo Heads
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Geo Heads
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: 1824
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Great Marlow
Town: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 236
Piece: 1405
Folio: 100
Page number: 40
Household Members Age Relationship
Mary Heath 78 Head
Geo Heads 47 Nephew
Sarah Clark 16 Niece - Marlow



Mary's death??

HEATH, MARY ANN 86
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 409


Mary Ann Heath
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Mary Ann Heath
Death Date: 2 Jan 1885
Death Place: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
Probate Date: 26 Feb 1885
Probate Registry: Principal Registry

HEATH Mary Ann
26 February: The Will of Mary Ann Heath, late of Bovendens Green, Great Marlow, in the County of Buckingham, widow, who died 2 January 1885 at Bovendens Green, was proved at the Principal Registry by William Crake of Chapel Street, Great Marlow, builder, the sole Executor.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2022 08:58

Mary A Heath
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary A Heath
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: 1799
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Heath
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Marlow
Town: Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 858
Folio: 100
Page number: 40
Household Members Age Relationship
Joseph Heath 61 Head - Marlow, fruit (something)
Mary A Heath 62 Wife


Also together in 1851 and 1841.


Joseph (fruiterer) died 2 Aug 1865. His Will was proved by the oaths of William Crake, builder, and Mary Ann Heath, widow.

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Sep 2022 12:11

Buckinghamshire Marriage Index
Marriage date 12 Nov 1823
First name(s) Joseph
Spouse's marital status spinster
Sex Male
Spouse's residence Great Marlow
Last name Heath
By licence or by banns Licence
Marriage year 1823
First witness Christian Thompson
Spouse's first name(s) Susannah Mary
Second witness Elizabeth Bond
Spouse's last name Thompson
Third witness George Hoerman
Denomination Anglican
Fourth witness E Heats
County Buckinghamshire
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Country England
Register year range 1806-1825
Place Great Marlow
Archive reference D/A/T/129
Document type Bishop's transcripts
Archive Buckinghamshire Archives
Page 72
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Marital status widowed -------------------
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Residence Great Marlow
Collections from England, Great Britain
Occupation Gent


© Findmypast

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 10 Sep 2022 14:02

An 1897 Francis Frith map indicates that there were still very few houses in the village.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2022 15:16

Terence isn't looking for house numbers now.
He's wondering how or if George Meads fits into his tree.

However, I don't see any records to prove his relationship to Mary Heath, let alone anyone else.

EDIT:

Given the niece Sarah Clark with George and Mary in 1871, posted earlier, I wonder if this is George in 1861:

George Meads
in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Meads
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: 1823
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Marton, Buckinghamshire, England [Marlow, Bucks]
Civil parish: St Martin Ludgate
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 222
Folio: 38
Page number: 35
Household Members Age Relationship
George Meads 38 Head, widower, carman
Elizabeth Clark 58 Mother , widow - Lambeth


If it's him, he's a widower in 1861, and unmarried in 1871 and 1881.

??
George Meads
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Meads
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1822
Baptism Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Father: John Meads
Mother: Elizth.
FHL Film Number: 1999445
Reference ID: 139


??
John Meads
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: John Meads
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1821
Marriage Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Spouse:
Elizabeth Butler
FHL Film Number: 1999445
Reference ID: 52


??
Elizabeth Butler
in the London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Elizabeth Butler
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1803
Baptism Place: Saint Mary at Lambeth: Lambeth Road, Lambeth
Father: George Butler
Mother: Ann Butler


???
Elizabeth Meads
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Elizabeth Meads - widow
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1832
Marriage Place: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Spouse:
George Clark - widower
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: John Wright, and William Henry Moss.
William Henry Moss also witnessed another marriage the same day.

Terence

Terence Report 11 Sep 2022 08:04

Thank you all for your prompt replies. I did not realize houses back then were not numbered. So residents knew each other very closely and may have referred to the older Mary Heath as an Aunt as I have done in the past.
As has been stated in the past, enumerators were not that well educated and sometimes mis-spelt and misplaced information. In the 1871 census it is definitely an M in Meads with the S, (Not Head). As on the same page above, there is my Joseph's family, and that script is the same as Geo Meads below.
With my William's family being there also in the late 1800's, they may have had a visit from the George Meads1822 mentioned in my post above, but he seems to have died late 1871. So not the one in the 1881 census showing Mary Heath.
There is a Sarah Meads1852 in my tree, possibly born to an Elizabeth Clark who married my James Meads1803 later in Henley. It looks like she had all her children before marriage. But records show she died in 1839. James then married an Elizabeth Hester in 1844.
So.....it seems things are still not very clear!
Again thank you all very much for your replies.
Terence.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 11 Sep 2022 08:22

Terence
With regard to house numbering we were looking at a small place with few houses. Streets with plenty of houses,such as towns and large villages will have numbering. Even so, one can’t always rely on the fact that a house keeps the same number over the years as streets are sometimes re numbered.

Names

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Sep 2022 08:39

Speaking of things not being clear, Terence -

"There is a Sarah Meads1852 in my tree, possibly born to an Elizabeth Clark who married my James Meads1803 later in Henley. It looks like she had all her children before marriage. But records show she died in 1839."

Who died in 1839?
Clearly not Sarah 1852, nor her mother.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 11 Sep 2022 08:51

With all the reasearch Terence has done with many Meads he cannot place I wonder if he is muddling some of them up.
I know I have done that when thinking about family names sometimes.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Sep 2022 09:28

I agree, Names.
Years of birth stated on censuses are also not always accurate, which doesn't help, but I do think Terence is getting muddled.

In any case, the Henley marriage Terence mentions seems to have been in 1832 - not 1803:

Elizabeth Clark
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Elizabeth Clark [spinster]
Gender: Female
Marriage or Bann Date: 11 Nov 1832
Marriage Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Spouse: James Meades [bachelor]


EDIT:
OH, I see - I misread Terence's post.
He meant that James Meads was born in 1803, not that the marriage was in 1803:

James Mades
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: James Mades
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1803
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1803
Baptism Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Father: James Mades
Mother: Mary Mades

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 11 Sep 2022 09:55

AG - I read it in exactly the same way so none of it made sense.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Sep 2022 11:38

Elizabeth Meads did die in 1839, as Terence says - so she definitely wasn't the mother of Sarah 1852!

Elizabeth Meads
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1965
Name: Elizabeth Meads
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1806
Burial Date: 6 May 1839
Burial Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Henley Upon Thames

Terence

Terence Report 12 Sep 2022 02:33

Thank you all once again and confirming my notes, which appeared muddled, apologies for that. As this frustrating search has taken so much time without a definite result, it will have to be put aside for now.

Thank you all very much again, it is very fortunate that we have you "helpers" to do further research.

Terence.

Terence

Terence Report 12 Sep 2022 08:19

I think I have just found the reason for most of this mystery.
Susannah Mary Thompson did not ever shorten her name to Mary. Hence the confusion!
Susannah married Joseph Heath in Marlow on 12 Nov 1823, after he was previously married to an Emma Elizabeth Mason in 1803, who died 10 years later.
Joseph seems to have died in 1837.

Susannah seemed to have lived all her married life, even widowed, in Bisham, Berkshire, just over the river from Marlow.
Her burial date 23 Dec 1872. In "All Saints" church, presumably Marlow.

This still leaves the mystery of a Meads in Bovingdon's Green.

Terence.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Sep 2022 14:52

As a point of interest, my current home has only a name - not a number. And I live in a fair-sized town