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Frederick born 1879 - per Ann's duplicate thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1401753

Just for our reference - in 1891 he was still with his parents and siblings in Fulham (his father was a gardener), but he was in Wales in 1911:

Frederick Willis
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name Frederick Willis
Age in 1911 31
Estimated Birth Year abt 1880
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Fulham SW, London, England
Civil parish Goytre
County/Island Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Street Address Goytrey House By Pontyspool
Marital Status Single
Occupation Gardener (Domestic)
Registration district Pontypool
Registration District Number 586
Sub-registration district Usk
ED, institution, or vessel 02
Household schedule number 12
Piece 31937
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frederick Willis 31 Head
Joseph Sydrey Morris 17 Boarder

He was in Northumberland in 1913

Name: Frederick C N Willis
Spouse Surname: Turnbull
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Hexham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 695
Records on Page:
Name
John W Byron
Thomasina E Hall
Margaret Turnbull
Frederick C N Willis

Military maybe ?

Frederick C N Willis
in the Scotland, Burial Monument Inscriptions, 1507-2019
Name Frederick C N Willis
Death Date 1916-1919
Cemetery Blairgowrie Cemetery
Burial Place Perthshire, Scotland
Notes In Memory of Margaret Turnbull Beloved Wife of Frederick C.n. Willis D. 25.3.1936

For our ref is this him in 1891?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
45, Britannia Road, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Willis Head
Married Male 40 1851 Gardener Mentmore, Buckinghamshire, England
Charlotte Willis Wife
Married Female 39 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
Margaret L Willis Daughter
Single Female 14 1877 - London, Middlesex, England
Jessie E Willis Daughter
- Female 13 1878 - London, Middlesex, England
Frederick C Willis Son
- Male 11 1880 - London, Middlesex, England
Ethel J Willis Daughter
- Female 10 1881 - London, Middlesex, England
Walter H Willis Son
- Male 8 1883 - London, Middlesex, England
Evelina T Willis Daughter
- Female 4 1887 - London, Middlesex, England
Francis J Mercy Cousin
- Male 15 1876 - Mentmore, Buckinghamshire, England

The Blairgowrie Cemetery record posted above has a photo of Margaret's gravestone attached - but there's no stone for Frederick.

As the record says 1916-19, presumably he's one of the several F (or Frederick) Willises on the CWGC website without any identifying info.

Don't know where the dates for Frederick came from, as they're not on the stone.

"Scotland, Burial Monument Inscriptions, 1507-2019" records are only from inscriptions on stones, with no info from elsewhere.


He's not on the Blairgowrie war memorial, so couldn't have been living in the area pre-war:
https://tinyurl.com/8as8rrur

I don't think Margaret died in Scotland - at least not as Willis. If she died as Turnbull, it wasn't in Perthshire.

That is really deceptive. This is his death in 1955. I looked at the D/C and it is definitely the correct man.

WILLIS
FREDERICK CHARL
75
M
1955
386 / B / 1
Persie

and his second marriage.


WILLIS
FREDERICK C N
GREIG
JESSIE BORLAND
1947
387 / 453
Perth



Frederick Charles Nathaniel Willis. Drumfork. Blacklunans Blairgowrie £1,975


01 June 1955

Dundee Courier
Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Inventories of net heritable and moveable estate.


jessies death.


WILLIS
JESSIE BORLAND
71
SCOTT
F
1986
350 / 21
Dundee


EDIT and birth


GREIG
JESSIE BORLAND
SCOTT
F
1914
576 / 1 / 143
Ardrossan Old

I saw that 1955 death, but was led astray by the Blairgowrie cemetery record.

Well done for following it up, Alviegal.


Margaret and Fred in 1921:

WILLIS
MARGARET
1921
F
42
386/B 1/ 1
Persie
Perth


WILLIS
FRED
1921
M
42
386/B 1/ 1
Persie
Perth

I can only think he was in the Boer war but absolutely no indication that he was :-(

Looking at the image of the gravestone shows it to be Margaret's - Frederick's name is on it only as her husband
There is nothing to support Ancestry's transcription giving his death as being between 1916 and 1919, as has already been demonstrated by the finding of the correct DoD

Can't see Margaret's death in Scotland, England or Wales.

Possibly her birth:

TURNBULL, MARGARET mmn ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in HEXHAM Volume 10B Page 302

Parents' marriage??

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG Jane Hexham 10b 380
Turnbull John Hexham 10b 380


Margaret Turnbull
in the 1881 England Census
Name Margaret Turnbull
Age 2
Estimated Birth Year abt 1879
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father John Turnbull
Mother Jane Turnbull
Gender Female
Where born Chollerton, Northumberland, England
Civil parish Chollerton
County/Island Northumberland
Country England
Street Address Black Hill
Registration district Hexham
Sub registration district Chollerton
ED, institution, or vessel 7
Neighbors
Piece 5107
Folio 80
Page number 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Turnbull 30 Head - whinstone quarryman
Jane Turnbull 24 Wife
Margaret Turnbull 2 Daughter
Robert Turnbull Son - 6 months


Margaret Turnbull
in the 1891 England Census
Name Margaret Turnbull
Gender Female
Age 12
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1879
Father John Turnbull
Mother Jane Turnbull
Birth Place Chollerton, Northumberland, England
Civil parish Chollerton
Ecclesiastical parish St Giles
Residence Place Gunnerton, Chollerton, Northumberland, England
Registration district Hexham
Sub registration district Chollerton
ED, Institution or Vessel 7
Neighbors
Piece 4249
Folio 69
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Turnbull 37 Head
Jane Turnbull 35 Wife
Margaret Turnbull 12 Daughter
Robert Turnbull 10 Son
Elizabeth A Turnbull 8 Daughter
Kate Turnbull 7 Daughter
Jane Turnbull 5 Daughter
John A Turnbull 3/12 Son


By 1901 she's not with her parents and siblings.
I don't see her in 1901 or 1911, so far.


And still can't see Frederick in 1901.

Details on Frederick's D/C not that they give any clue as to where he was in 1901.

Frederick Willis (scored out and replaced with Frederick Charles Nathaniel Willis) gardener married to Margaret Turnbull 2nd Jessie Borland Scott Greig died Apr 5th 1955 at 3 am at Drumfork, Blacklunans, Blairgowrie aged 75. Father Frederick, nurseryman and Charlotte MS Taylor both deceased. He died of cardio vascular degeneration and the informant was a friend, John Dow of 2 Castle Street, Blairgowrie.

Name Jessie B. S Willis and Frederick Willis
Residence Year 1948
Residence Place Perth and Kinross, Scotland
Place of Abode The Gardens, Drumfork
Division or Location Perth Division
Reference Number CC1/8/4/38



Perth and Kinross, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1961


Name Jessie B. S Willis
Residence Year 1961
Residence Place Perth and Kinross, Scotland
Place of Abode The Gardens, Drumfork
Division or Location Perth and East Perthshire
Reference Number CC1/8/4/66

Probably Frederick's house - though without hot tub , fridge/freezer, dishwasher, etc, in those days!

https://www.cottages.com/cottages/drumfork-estate--gardeners-cottage-uk7538

Saw that AG, very sad all these old workers cottages are becoming holiday lets....but that's another issue entirely :-|

Thank you all for helping me re Frederick C N Willis
but its still a mystery as to where he was in 1901?
Boer War perhaps as some one has suggested.
Best Regards, Ann

Looked at Boer War records on FMP....only one Frederick Willis, and not the one who is the subject of this enquiry. Does not exclude the possibility that he served - merely that his info (if relevant) hasn't been transcribed