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Rose Rogers b. 1901

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xtootsy16x

xtootsy16x Report 17 Jan 2024 09:26

Hi Everyone, thank you for this information, I was given the wrong info at the beginning, that's why I couldn't work out stuff too, but you have found all the correct info for me now, very very happy with what you have done for me (I'm 69) x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Jan 2024 09:27

Good work, Shirley.

Accepting without question that a child born in 1901 with no second forename was the same person as an adult with a second forename whose birth year was given as 1905 was unwise

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Jan 2024 23:02

1921 census

Rosey May Rogers in 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales
161, Cairn Street, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William Rogers Head Male 1863 58 Somerset, England Labourer General Cardiff Corporation
Rose Rogers Wife Female 1864 56 Somerset, England Home Duties -
William Henry Rogers Son Male 1899 22 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Boot Repairer John Griffiths Boot Repiarer
Rosey May Rogers Daughter Female 1905 16 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Shop Assistant Furniture Cart Employer Fressman
Lucy Anne McDonald Boarder Female 1856 65 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Home Duties -

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Jan 2024 22:53

1911 census

Name
[Rosey May Rogers]
Age in 1911 6
Estimated Birth Year abt 1905
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish Cardiff
County/Island Glamorgan
Country Wales
Street Address 43 Theodora Street Roath Cardiff
Occupation School
Registration district Cardiff
Registration District Number 588
Sub-registration district East Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel 19
Household schedule number 243
Piece 32086
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Rogers
48
Head
Rose Rogers
47
Wife
Willie Rogers
13
Son
Fred George Alice Rogers
10
Son
Rosey May Rogers 6 Daughter

Married 18 years 4 children born 3 still living

ROGERS, FREDERICK GEORGE ALEC HILL
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 403


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROGERS, WILLIAM HENRY HILL
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 409

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Jan 2024 22:48

Baptism

Name Rose May Rogers
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 1905
Baptism Date 6 Jul 1905
Baptism Place Roath St Saviour, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father
William Rogers
Mother
Rose Anna Selina Rogers


So a different family

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 14 Jan 2024 22:43

Surely this is the birth of the one followed up on

Name Rose May Rogers
Registration Date 1905
[1905]
Quarter of the Year Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Volume 11a
Page 348


ROGERS, ROSE MAY HILL
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 348




ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2024 17:37

The 1921 posted by Greyghost looks correct.

In 1921 Solomon and Rachel are in Ebbw Vale, without Rose.

Solomon's death:

Deaths Dec 1931 (>99%)
Rogers Solomon 76 Bedwellty 11a 114

Probably Rachel's death, although the age doesn't quite fit that stated in 1921.

Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
Rogers Rachel 66 Bedwellty 11a 102

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jan 2024 16:36

Are you 100% certain that someone whose DoB is consistently shown as 1905 is the one born 1901?

There was no second forename on the 1901 birth registration

In your shoes, I would certainly need at least one marriage cert ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

xtootsy16x

xtootsy16x Report 14 Jan 2024 16:19

thank you so much for finding all this out for me .You are a star . x

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:55

The marriage you mention - again of a Rose M

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1948 (>99%)

Cummins Rose M Window Cardiff 8b 412
Window Benjamin E Cummins Cardiff 8b 412

and her death - DOB as per 1939 not the school reg.
Deaths Jun 1974 (>99%)
WINDOW ROSE MAY 26MY1905 S GLAMORGAN 28 2400

Her probate - Rose May Window of 27 Tweedsmuir Road, TRemorfa, Cardiff died 24 April 1974 Probate Llandaff 31 May

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jan 2024 15:48

Rose M
County Glamorganshire
Last name Cummins
Country Wales
Marriage quarter 4
Volume 8B
Marriage year 1948
Volume as transcribed 8B
Registration month -
Page number 412
MarriageFinder™ Rose M Cummins married one of these people
Benjamin E Window
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Window
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Cardiff

????????
Rose May
County Glamorganshire
Last name Window
Volume 28
Sex Female
Page 2400
Birth day 26
Country Wales
Birth month 5
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Birth year 1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 2
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1974
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
District South Glamorgan

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:47

The 1939 posted by Maddie has a different DOB (26.4.1905) for Rosie Cummins from that given on the School admissions register (14.5.1901) Not the same person

and the marriage is of a Rosie M Rogers -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1923 (>99%)
Cummins David J Rogers Cardiff 11a 1007
Hill William White Cardiff 11a 1007
Rogers Rosie M Cummins Cardiff 11a 1007
White Florence C Hill Cardiff 11a 1007

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:36

Parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Davies Rachel Bedwelty 11a 142
HARRIS Charlotte Bedwelty 11a 142
Rogers Solomon Bedwelty 11a 142
Walters Dan Bedwelty 11a 142

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:32

For our info -

1911 Census For England & Wales
26 Colliers Row Ebbw Vale Mon, Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Solomon Rogers Head Married Male 56 1855 Colliery labourer Ebbw Vale Mon
Rachel Rogers Wife Married Female 51 1860 - Ebbw Vale Mon
Rose Rogers Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Ebbw Vale
Elizel Rogers Daughter - Female 17 1894 - Ebbw Vale
Sarah An Rogers Daughter - Female 13 1898 School Ebbw Vale

Solomon and Rachel said to be married for 31 years and had 9 children of which 3 are still alive but 6 have died

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:30

??

Maybe with a relative if mmn was Davies - but a common Welsh surname of course

1921 Census Of England & Wales
26, Commercial Road, Abercarn, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William Davies Head Male 1864 57 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales Colliery Foreman Under Ground Burneat & Brown Home
Martha Davies Wife Female 1870 50 Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire, Wales Household Duties Home
Rosie Rogers Visitor Female 1901 20 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales None -

greyghost

greyghost Report 14 Jan 2024 15:26

? This birth - Bedwelty RD has a sub district of Ebbw Vale

6 weeks allowed to register a birth, so would be just over that time by a few days

Use the GRO site to look for births pre Q3 1911 to give mmn. You have to register, but free to search
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROGERS, ROSE DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 111

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jan 2024 15:24

William D Cummins in 1939
1939 Register
67 Clydesmuir Road, Cardiff, Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
1939 register badge
View original record
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
David J Cummins 18 Aug 1900 Male Wharf Labourer Married 132 1
Rose M Window (Cummins) 26 Apr 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 132 2
William D Cummins 09 Oct 1924 Male Apprentice Electrical Engineering Single 132 3
Transcript of William D's record
First name(s) William D
County Glamorganshire
Last name(s) Cummins
Country Wales
Birth date 09 Oct 1924
E. D. letter code XGCG
Birth day 9
Schedule 132
Birth month 10
Schedule sub number 3
Birth year 1924
Archive reference RG101/7249C/012/8
Sex Male
Piece number 7249C
Marital status Single
Item number 12
Occupation Apprentice Electrical Engineering
Line number 8
Address 67 Clydesmuir Road, Cardiff
Category Census, land & surveys
Place Cardiff C.B.
Subcategory Census
Borough / district Cardiff C.B.
Collections from Great Britain, Wales

Ref: RG101/7249C/012/8 Letter Code: XGCG

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David J
County Glamorganshire
Last name Cummins
Country Wales
Marriage quarter 3
Volume 11A
Marriage year 1923
Volume as transcribed 11A
Registration month -
Page number 1007
MarriageFinder™ David J Cummins married one of these people
Rosie M Rogers
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Rogers
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Cardiff
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Jan 2024 15:17

Rose
Parent's name(s) Solomon
Last name Rogers
Book type Admissions
Birth year 1901
Archive Gwent Archives
Birth date 14 May 1901
Archive reference CEA67/20
Event year 1910
Folio / page number 21
School name Pontygof School (Girls), Ebbw Vale
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Town Ebbw Vale
Category Education & work
County Monmouthshire
Subcategory Schools & Education
Country Wales

Rose
Country Wales
Last name Rogers
Volume 11A
Birth quarter 3
Page 111
Birth year 1901
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Davies
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Bedwellty
Subcategory Civil Births
County Monmouthshire

xtootsy16x

xtootsy16x Report 14 Jan 2024 14:59

i have a Rose Rogers born 1901 to Solomon Rogers b.1855 and Rachel Rogers b. 1860,( do not know Rachels maiden name), in Ebbw Vale Wales, I have found her on 1911 census , has anyone access to 1921 census and 1939 census please? Also looking for marriages of Rose Rogers. There is a son called William D Cummins b.1923/4 registered to her, did she marry a David Cummins? but i have been told she re-married in 1948 to a Benjamin Edward Window ? Any help would be grateful please. I dont have any access to any census after 1911. Any info on Rose Rogers would be appreciated. Many Thanks