Looking for ancestors of Allan Charles Howard born 1946 in Smethwick, his mother's maiden name was Elsmore.
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You can find Allan’s mother’s first name by looking for a Howard/Elsmore marriage on freebmd.
You can confirm the names of his parents by buying the birth certificate. This would also give you his father’s occupation and an address.
Once you know both names you should be able to find them on the 1939 index, hopefully with their family and then you can work back through the various census. Added: the marriage is not on freebmd so you will need to buy the birth certificate from the GRO You could also checkout other trees by looking at Search/ search all members trees.
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A possible sibling??
Brian S Howard in Smethwick in 1935, with mmn Ellsmore (with 2 Ls)
Possible marriage of parents, on FreeBMD??
Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%) Ellsmore Lilian M Howard W.Bromwich 6b 1779 Howard Albert E Ellsmore W.Bromwich 6b 1779
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Posting just in case this is the right couple - but you need Allan's birth cert to verify his father's name:
Living in Smethwick in 1939 -
Lillian M Howard in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name Lillian M Howard Gender Female Marital Status Married Birth Date 15 May 1910 Residence Date 1939 Address 37 Corser Street Residence Place Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number 30 Schedule Number 127 Sub Schedule Number 2 Enumeration District Omca Borough Smethwick Registration district 371 B 1 Inferred Spouse Albert E Howard - 17/2 1905 - Brass & copper tube drawer Household Members (Name) Gender Albert E Howard Male Lillian M Howard Female This record is officially closed. This record is officially closed. This record is officially closed.
Lily May Ellsmore in the 1911 England Census Name Lily May Ellsmore Age in 1911 10/12 Estimated Birth Year abt 1910 Relation to Head Daughter Gender Female Birth Place West Bromwich Civil parish West Bromwich County/Island Staffordshire Country England Street Address 33 Hill St, Hill Top, West Bromwich Marital Status Single Registration District Number 371 Sub-registration district West Bromwich North East ED, institution, or vessel 06 Piece 17311 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Charles Ellsmore 30 Head Elizabeth Ellsmore 30 Wife George Henry Ellsmore 5 Son Lily May Ellsmore 10/12 Daughter
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If Albert and Lillian are Allan's parents, it looks as if they may have named him with the middle names of both their fathers - Allan/Allen from Albert's father, and Charles from Lillian's:
Albert Edward Howard in the 1911 England Census Name Albert Edward Howard Age in 1911 5 Estimated Birth Year abt 1906 Relation to Head Son Gender Male Birth Place Smethwick Civil parish Smethwick County/Island Worcestershire Country England Street Address 49 Queen Street, Smethwick Registration District Number 383 Sub-registration district Smethwick ED, institution, or vessel 18 Piece 17960 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Allen Howard 34 Head Evelina Howard 33 Wife John Howard 10 Son Robert Howard 9 Son Leslie Stanton Howard 7 Son Albert Edward Howard 5 Son Maisie Howard 4 Daughter
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Have you tried researching this yourself? Do you realise that the people who help on here are paying members - NOT paid employees?
Has this man asked you to find info for him?
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from the howard family tree onancestry
Albert Edward Howard 1905–1971
Birth 17 FEB 1905 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Death JUL 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England LifeStory Facts Gallery Facts
1905(AGE)
Birth 17 Feb 1905 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
19061 Baptism 1 Apr 1906 • Warwickshire, England
19116 Residence 1911 • Smethwick, England
Relation to Head: Son
191712 Birth of sister Marguerite Howard(1917–1924) 6 Mar 1917 • Smethwick
192419 Death of sister Marguerite Howard(1917–1924) Jul 1924 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193025 Marriage Oct 1930 • West Bromwich, Staffordshire, United Kingdom Lillian May Ellsmore
(1910–1989)
193328 Death of brother Robert Howard(1902–1933) Jul 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193530 Birth of son Brian Stanley Howard(1935–2009) 15 Jun 1935 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193934 Residence 1939 • Staffordshire, England
196156 Death of father John Allen Howard(1877–1961) Apr 1961 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
197166 Death Jul 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
1971 Burial 26 Aug 1971 • West Midlands, England
Sources Ancestry sources
View Source 1911 England Census View Source 1939 England and Wales Register View Source Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1919 View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 View Source England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
View Source Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Lillian May Ellsmore 1910–1989
Birth 15 MAY 1910 • West Bromwich
Death 15 DEC 1989 • Birmingham, West Midlands, England LifeStory Facts Gallery Facts
1910(AGE)
Birth 15 May 1910 • West Bromwich
19111 Residence 1911 • West Bromwich, England
Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head: Daughter
19209 Birth of sister Vera Ellsmore(1920–2004) 7 May 1920
192111 Birth of sister Kathleen Maud Ellsmore(1921–1977) 2 Dec 1921
193020 Marriage Oct 1930 • West Bromwich, Staffordshire, United Kingdom Albert Edward Howard
(1905–1971)
193525 Birth of son Brian Stanley Howard(1935–2009) 15 Jun 1935 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193929 Residence 1939 • Staffordshire, England
194332 Death of father Thomas Charles Ellsmore(1881–1943) 17 Jan 1943
197161 Death of husband Albert Edward Howard(1905–1971) Jul 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
197766 Death of sister Kathleen Maud Ellsmore(1921–1977) 17 Mar 1977 • Queensway Quinton Birmingham
198979 Death 15 Dec 1989 • Birmingham, West Midlands, England
1989 Burial 22 Dec 1989 • West Midlands, England
Sources Ancestry sources
View Source 1911 England Census View Source 1939 England and Wales Register View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 View Source England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
View Source Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Brian S Last name Howard Birth quarter 3 Birth year 1935 Mother's maiden name Ellsmore District Smethwick County Worcestershire Country England Volume 6B Page 1152 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, England
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1921 Census Of England & Wales 18, Salop Street, Brades Village, Oldbury, Staffordshire, England
Household members (5 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Thomas Charles Ellsmore Head Male 1881 40 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Coach Axle Filer Mr A Oldbury Coach Axle S & Spring Out Of N E Manufacturers Elizabeth Ellsmore Wife Female 1881 40 Tividale, Staffordshire, England Home Duties - Lily May Ellsmore Daughter Female 1910 11 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England - - Thomas Charles Ellsmore Son Male 1913 8 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England - - Vera Gertrude Ellsmore Daughter Female 1920 1 - - -
1921 Census Of England & Wales 49, Queen Street, Smethwick, Worcestershire, England
Household members (10 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer John Allen Howard Head Male 1877 44 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Tool Setter, Bolt Machine Guest Keen & Nettlefold Evelyn Howard Wife Female 1877 43 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England - - John Howard Son Male 1900 20 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Sailor H M S Lucia Home On Furlough Robert Howard Son Male 1902 19 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England - Home On Furlough, Out Of Work Albert Edward Howard Son Male 1904 17 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Mill Hand Evereds Maisie Howard Daughter Female 1906 15 - Straightener, Home Duties - Wallace Howard Son Male 1913 8 - - - Stanley Howard Son Male 1918 2 - - - Marguerite Howard Daughter Female 1917 4 - - - Evie Howard Daughter Female 1920 1 - - -
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Always confirm other people trees with your own research. Even the nearest relative can make mistakes.
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Thank you all very much for the information
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Thank you all very much for the information
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As Nameslessone advises - don't trust info on anyone's tree without documentary evidence.
The tree quoted by Maddie doesn't mention Allan. My suggestion that Albert and Lillian may have been his parents is only a suggestion, as I can't prove it from online info, and I might be wrong.
You still need Allan's birth cert to be sure of his parents' names.
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He is in a GR tree other than yours, so try making contact.
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