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I am looking for Thomas, his wife Eliza and child Eliza in particular after the 1881 census which I have added below. Hope you may be able to help please.


Name Eliza Reeves
Age 2
Estimated Birth Year abt 1879
Relationship to Head Granddaughter
Father Thomas Reeves
Mother Eliza Reeves
Gender Female
Where born Birmingham
Civil parish Birmingham
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Street Address No 4 In CT 7 Navigation St
Registration District Birmingham
Sub registration district St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel 32
Neighbors
Piece 2978
Folio 118
Page number 26
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Reeves 67 Head
Eliza Reeves 62 Wife
William Reeves 23 Son
Thomas Reeves 28 Son
Eliza Reeves 30 Daughter in Law
Thomas Reeves 6 Grandson
Eliza Reeves 2 Granddaughter

The marriage 10/3/1872 in Birmingham of Thomas Reeves and Eliza Reeves (yes same surname) appears in a family bible along with the birth of daughter Eliza 16/4/1879 Birmingham, however I am unable to trace them forward at all. I am hoping that you may be able to help please
Thank you

Can we assume that you have verified that they didn’t die before 1891? Also that they didn’t emigrate?

Daughter Eliza married George Jones on 3/3/1896. Father Thomas Reeves was noted as deceased.

Eliza A Reeves
in the 1891 England Census
Name Eliza A Reeves
Gender Female
Age 13
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1878
Father
William Reeves
Mother
Eliza Reeves
Birth Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish Birmingham
Residence Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Registration District Birmingham
Sub registration district All Saints
ED, Institution or Vessel 40
Neighbors
Piece 2401
Folio 51
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Reeves 39 Head
Eliza Reeves 40 Wife
Frank Reeves 17 Son
Thomas Reeves 16 Son
Eliza A Reeves 13 Daughter
Annie Reeves 8 Daughter
Polly Reeves 5 Daughter
Minnie Reeves 3 Daughter
George Reeves 6/12 Son


REEVES, ELIZA mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 116

REEVES, GEORGE mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 172

REEVES, MINNIE mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 170

REEVES, POLLY mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 89

REEVES, ANNIE mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 72

REEVES, THOMAS ISAAC mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 68


EDIT:
Oops! Wrong husband.

ADDED:
But see post at 16:46

So you have traced the daughter ‘forward’…………..:-S :-S

Neither parents traced forward
Unable to trace daughter Eliza in 1891... yes thereafter

Who witnessed the 1896 marriage? What was the bride’s address?

Have you looked for the father’s death?

Witnesses John Hathaway and Elizabeth Reeves
Bride's address 135 Highgate Street

I think the 1891 posted above might be the correct one after all, with the father named as William by mistake.

The son Thomas Isaac's marriage cert gives his father's name as THOMAS, a blacksmith:

Thomas Isaac Reeves
in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1939
Name Thomas Isaac Reeves
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth Date abt 1876
Marriage Date 25 Nov 1902
Marriage Place Birmingham, England
Marriage Church St Margaret's Church
Parish as it Appears St Margaret Birmingham
Father
Thomas Reeves [ blacksmith ]
Spouse
Elizabeth Badger

The father Thomas in 1881 is a blacksmith.

Also, Thomas Isaac is the only Thomas Reeves registered in Birmingham in 1875+/-2.

In that case, she was probably living with her Uncle George and her grandparents. They were in Highgate Street in 1891……..no house numbers recorded on census

An earlier Eliza who died ??

REEVES, ELIZA mmn REEVES
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 61


REEVES, ELIZA 0
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 21

The mother Eliza (widowed) in 1901:

Eliza Reeves
in the 1901 England Census
Name Eliza Reeves
Age 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1851 [abt 1851]
Relation to Head Head
Gender Female
Birth Place B'ham
Civil parish Birmingham
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Ecclesiastical parish St Asaph
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration District Birmingham
Sub-registration district St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Neighbors
Piece 2832
Folio 111
Page number 23
Household schedule number 135
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Eliza Reeves 50 Head
Polly Reeves 16 Daughter
Geo Reeves 10 Son

Possibly the mother Eliza's death??

Eliza Reeves
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Eliza Reeves
Death Age 71
Birth Date abt 1851
Registration Date Apr 1922 [May 1922] [Jun 1922]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Birmingham
Inferred County Warwickshire
Volume 6d
Page 302

The son George ??:

George Reeves
in the 1911 England Census
Name George Reeves
Age in 1911 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1891 [abt 1891]
Relation to Head Boarder
Gender Male
Birth Place Birmingham, Warwickshire
Civil parish Handsworth
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Street Address 29 Watt St, Handsworth, Staffs
Marital Status Single
Occupation Cycle Tube Cutter
Registration District Number 371
Sub-registration district Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel 07
Piece 17212
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Woolley 37 Head
Caroline Woolley 37 Wife
Doris Woolley 11 Daughter
George Reeves 20 Boarder


George Reeves
in the 1921 England Census
Name George Reeves
Gender Male
Age 30 Years 6 Months
Estimated Birth Year 1891
Birth Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Place Army, Armed Forces Overseas
Rank Lance Corporal
Branch or Arm of Service Army Infantry 4th Bn the Worcestershire Regt
Occupation Code 813/6
Employer Code 701
Inhabited Y
Name of Ship or Barracks 4th Battalion, Worcestershire Regiment, Riehl Barracks, Cologne
Location of Ship or Barracks 4th Battalion, Worcestershire Regiment, Riehl Barracks, Cologne
Vessel Description Army, Infantry
Registration District Army
Registration District Number ALL
Sub registration district Germany (Army of the Rhine)
Schedule Type Code Nm
Page number 9
Household Members (Name)

Thank you for your help :-)

Just a random wild thought - as there's no obvious death for Thomas between 1891 and 1901 - perhaps he and Eliza separated, but claimed they were widowed for the sake of respectability ???

The 1902 marriage cert of son Thomas Isaac doesn't say he was deceased - though that doesn't necessarily mean anything.


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Thomas Reeves
in the 1921 England Census
Name Thomas Reeves
Gender Male
Nationality British
Marital Status Widowed
Age 69 Years 3 Months
Relation to Head Lodger
Estimated Birth Year 1852
Birth Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England <<<<<<<<<<
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 5 Kimberley Place, West Street, Chipping Norton
Residence Place Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, England
Occupation Blacksmith <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation Code 190/8
Employer B Busby Homer (Out of Work)
Employer Code 010
Place of Work Chipping Norton
Inhabited Y
Parliamentary Division Oxfordshire Pc, Banbury Div.
Registration District Chipping Norton
Registration District Number 157
Sub registration district Chipping Norton
Sub Registration District Number 2
Respondent Charles Ernest Timms
Enumeration District Name Chipping Norton Mb
Enumeration District 3
Schedule 165
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Ernest Timms 29 Years 11 Months Head
Minnie Timms 25 Years 5 Months Wife
Constance Muriel Timms 4 Years 9 Months Daughter
Thomas Reeves 69 Years 3 Months Lodger

The census date was 19 June.
If the age above is accurate, that man was born approx March 1852.

That would fit with your Thomas's birth (parents Isaac and Agnes - nee Rogers/Rodgers) :

REEVES, THOMAS mmn ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 205

That is the only registered birth of a Thomas Reeves in Warwickshire in 1852.

But having said that, Thomas Reeves isn't an uncommon name, and the 1921 info may not be accurate.