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Yes good find for the Workhouse This last one for Charles was their an address and this Elizabeth wife is that who his wife is ?? as Mary was his wife

23 Broom st Ardwickis their any chance of getting that address up in the 1911 census?

Thank you for all your help I know it's a complicated family it has been all the way

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
BOOTH Elizabeth Ellen Chorlton 8c 1712
BURGESS Charlotte Chorlton 8c 1712
Connor Charles Chorlton 8c 1712
DRINKWATER Joseph Chorlton 8c 1712

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is this charles years out a canny bit

Name

Charles Connor
Sex

Male
Age

37
Birth Year (Estimated)

1874
Birthplace

Wigan, Lancashire
Marital Status

Married
Occupation

RAILWAY CARTER
Number in Family

2
Relationship to Head of Household

Head
Event Type

Census
Event Date

1911
Event Place

Gorton, Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)

South Manchester, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Sub-District

Ardwick
Sub-District Number

2
Enumeration District

93
District Number

464
Household Identifier

237940235
Record Type

Household
Document Type

3
Line Number

1
Page Number

1
Source Page Type

6
Piece/Folio

235
Registration Number

RG14
Schedule Type

118
Charles Connor's Spouses and Children

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Elizabeth E Connor Wife F 26 Harwich Birmingham, Warwickshire
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Good find, Abby (workhouse record).

The image says "see 4/1/11" which I assume means she was admitted on that date.
She was discharged c/o her mother on 6/1/11.
Informant - Father: Charles, 23 Broom/Broome Street, Ardwick.

That was also "the inmate"'s address before admission.

So Amy's age varies, which isn't helpful!

IF she's the Amy born in 1905 - and certainly father's details look as if she is - maybe she lied about her age for the 1924 marriage, in order to be thought legally an adult and not to have to have her father's approval.

Still lying in 1929, but not quite so much.

Name

Amy Connor
Birth Date

1904
Residence Place

West Gorton
Event Type

Workhouse Admission
Event Date


4 January 1911

Event Place

Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)

Lancashire
Affiliate Film Number

M 327 - 2 - 2 - 29
Affiliate Name

Manchester Withington Workhouse

If the 1901 census for Charles is right that means he got married 1901-1905
The marriages I've got for Amy 1924

Frederick Hornby 30 bachelor fitter 23 Cross St f Fred Hornby picture framer
Amy Connor 23 Plater "" f Charles Connor Carter


1929
Frederick Greenall 40 bachelor Fitter 2 Kings St Millom f Frederick Greenall dec Fitter
Amy Connor 26 Spinster " " "" F Charles Connor dec Carter

1913 Marriage for Frederick and Mary O'connor

Frederick Greenall 32 Bachelor Engine fitter 19 Elizabeth St Openshawe f Frederick Greenall dec Haidresser

Mary O'connor 34 Spinster !9 Elizabeth St Openshawe f Martin O'connor dec Hawker Hardware

You haven’t said whether you have Amy’s marriage certificates

Amy Greenall in 1921 is a full year older than the Amy Connor whose birth cert you have.

Where is she in 1939?

Sorry for the delay all you have found is what we have found 1921 census is the right family Frederick was married to Mary O'connor in 1913, we did wonder about Amy on that census, according to Mary's marriage father was Martin O'connor

This is why I wanted to try and find Amy's parents and hopfully find where they were from and their ages

Baptism: 26 Mar 1905 St Joseph, Longsight, Lancashire
Amy Connor - filia Caroli Connor & Mariae (formerly Dixon)
Born: 28 Feb 1905
Abode: 11 Ernest St.
Matrina [Godmother]: Anna Ramsden
Baptised By: Patritio Daly
Register: Baptisms 1895 - 1910, Page 125, Entry 1106
Source: Original Register

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
xxx Connor Amy Greenall Bootle 10b 1439 Scan available - click to view
Douglas Mary L Heaton Bootle 10b 1439 Scan available - click to view
xxx Greenall Frederick Connor Bootle 10b 1439 Scan available - click to view
Heaton Charles A Douglas Bootle 10b 1439 Scan available - click to view

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
Davies Walter Naylor Chorlton 8c 1446
Greenall Frederick O'Connor Chorlton 8c 1446 xxxxxxx
Naylor Florence Davies Chorlton 8c 1446
O'Connor Maria Greenall Chorlton 8c 1446 xxxxxx
Shenton George Croke Chorlton 8c 1446

You say Amy married Frederick Hornby - or Greenall - or Hornby Greenall.

Is this the family in 1921?
If so, she's using the name Greenall, although they didn't marry until 1924.


Amy Greenall
in the 1921 England Census
Name Amy Greenall
Gender Female
Age 17 Years 3 Months
Relation to Head Lodger
Estimated Birth Year 1904
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 3 Boundary St, West Gorton M/C
Residence Place South Manchester, Lancashire, England
Employer Home Duties
Inhabited Y
Ward St Mark's
Parliamentary Division Manchester Pb, Ardwick Div.
Registration District Chorlton
Registration District Number 464
Sub registration district Openshaw
Sub Registration District Number 4
Respondent Mr Artingham
Enumeration District Name Manchester Cb
Enumeration District 32
Schedule 225
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Artinstall 54 Head
John Allott 52 Boarder
Thomas Bolton 65 Years 2 Months Boarder

Frederick H Greenall 40 Lodger - married
Mary Greenall 46 Lodger - Wigan - married
Amy Greenall 17 Years 3 Months Lodger
Gilbert Greenall 7 Lodger
Frederick Greenall 6 Lodger
Edith Greenall 4 Lodger
Ethel Greenall 9 Months Lodger


GREENALL, ETHEL mmn CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 1337

GREENALL, EDITH mmn CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in BOOTLE Volume 10B Page 1114

GREENALL, FREDERICK CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in BOOTLE Volume 10B Page 1209

GREENALL, GILBERT CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 813


But Amy's too young to be the mother of Gilbert and Frederick, unless she started aged 9.
She could just possibly be Edith's mother.

Is she Frederick's step-daughter?
In which case is Mary Greenall Amy's mother Mary Dixon, but giving Connor as her maiden name for the younger children's births??

Or a completely different woman, and Amy's stepmother?
Mary born in Wigan, apparently.

There were seven Mary Connor births registered in Wigan 1875 +/-2

Can't see any marriage of Mary and Frederick.

The address for the above is 5, Duke Street

????
Name

Chas Connor
Sex

Male
Age

17
Birth Year (Estimated)

1884
Birthplace

Manchester, Lancashire
Marital Status

Single
Occupation

RAILWAY PORTER
Relationship to Head of Household

Son
Event Type

Census
Event Date

31 Mar 1901
Event Place

Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)

Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sub-District

Ancoats
Registration District

Manchester
Household Identifier

4975116
Record Type

Household
Page Number

39
Piece/Folio

143
Schedule Type

224

Do you know for certain that the woman who married in 1924 was the one whose birth certificate you have?

Do you have certs for both of the marriages to which you refer?

No Sorry I don't have anything on them Just gone through 654 pages of 1911 censuses Nothing It's looking as though they were possibly in another part of the country I'll do they 1901 tomorrow my eyes have gone
Thank you

Do you have the ages of Charles or Mary?

Is their any chance you could find some one in 1901 please it's more difficult with 1911 there is only one family on a page

1901 - also from searching around on Ancestry:

Charlotte Mellor
in the 1901 England Census
Name Charlotte Mellor
Age 51
Estimated Birth Year abt 1850 [abt 1850]
Relation to Head Head
Gender Female
Birth Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish Longsight St Clement [ 11 Ernest Street ]
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration District Chorlton
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 096
Neighbors
Piece 3687
Folio 99
Page number 44
Household schedule number 276
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charlotte Mellor 51 Head