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Jean Report 26 Mar 2006 15:23

Thank you so much Zoe for the 1881 census of ALL the family! and the later one showing Alice in a Workhouse! Don't think I would ever have found it, tried all variations of spelling but didn't think to sustitute the F for a T. Perhaps now I can make some progress. Your help is greatly appreciated. Jean x.


Emma Report 26 Mar 2006 15:16

Hello, i am looking for information on my g grandma Nellie Marvin 1880c and her mother Mary Marvin 1862c. I would like to know if Nellie was born out of wedlock or not, I know that Mary married Allen Havery late 1881 and had 2 sons, but unsure if she was married before or if Marvin is her maiden name. My g grandma Nellie had my grandma Gertrude Marvin 1900, I would like to know if she later married, my father remembers a uncle from his mums side staying for awhile and his name was John/Tom Cousins. All of the above or from Nottingham apart from Allen Harvey (Leicester) and mainly around the Bulwell and Basford area. Any information would be greatly appriecated, many thanks Emma


Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 14:49

Jean Just off subject didn't know if you had these from IGI All born to a John and Mary Ann 1. MARY ELIZABETH FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 FEB 1853 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England 2. ELEANOR HARBORD FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 15 AUG 1850 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England 3. ALFRED MUNN FURBY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 AUG 1848 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Thought you might like christening dates if you didn't have them!! Do you know if Alfred Munn had any children? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well after a long search think I got them in 1881 are you ready for this.......... 1881 On image it does look like Turby but it is them Alfred M. TURBY Head M Male 32 Bridlington, York, England Booksellers Clerk Alice W. TURBY Wife M Female 31 Camberwell Alfred TURBY Son Male 8 Camberwell Scholar Jessie TURBY Daur Female 9 Camberwell Scholar Henry W. TURBY Son Male 6 Hammersmith Scholar Clara TURBY Daur Female 5 Hammersmith Richard TURBY Son Male 3 Hammersmith Arthur TURBY Son Male 1 Hammersmith Frank S. TURBY Son Male 4 m Hammersmith Mary Ann TURBY Mother W Female 69 Yarmouth Mary E. TURBY Sister U Female 28 Bridlington, York, England Charles TURBY Nephew Male 7 Camberwell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 7 Sterne St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341014 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0063 / 50 Page Number 46 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This might be Alice in 1901 it says she is married and a dressmaker Name: Alice Furby Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: Newington Butts, London, England Civil parish: Richmond Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias County/Island: Surrey Country: England Source information: RG13/677 Registration district: Richmond Sub-registration district: Richmond ED, institution, or vessel: Richmond Union Workhouse Folio: 193 Page: 10 Household schedule number: 1 Nearest I can find cant find any on 1891 1901 except this one hope it helps a bit Zoe


Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 14:04

Elaine Where have you looked for his death? Do you roughly know when he died or just it was after 1901? What was his occupation on your grandmothers marriage cert and did it say deceased? When was she married? Was his occupation something that may have taken him away from home?


Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 13:58

Claire Had a hard long look at this, and it seems you have the correct one in 1841 and following, due to the 1901 census where Sarah is with Ellen's son and she is named Aunt would lead me to believe she is Ellens Sister Sarah Hadfield/Hatfied Kennedy. Now according to the 1st census she appears in she is age 6 making her birthyear 1835 no birth certs available for this time *parish records* So according to the IGI details for Ellen she was christened 19 JUL 1835 Eccles, Lancashire, England Sarah was Christened Christening: 24 MAR 1833 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England Ok There is also a Mary in the 1841 census details for her christening Mary Kenedy Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Pendleton Christening: 26 APR 1834 Eccles, Lancashire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Thomas Kenedy Mother: Betsey Kenedy **is another name for Elizabeth** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And Cavvanah S Kennedy maybe Sarahs daughter **only guessing** but if she was born in London that place the family around that area Don't know why we can't find them in 1851 and 1861 we know inbetween that time Ellens mother Elizabeth remarried a Mr Singleton **I think,,LOL** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Mary Hadfield b1805 Eccles**I think this might be Elizabeths sister**** She is in the 1871 census living on her own on the road next to Ballon road cant work out what it says its 7 something buildings she is a Seamstress In 1861 She is yet again on her own but down on census as Mary Hatfield same address looks like 7 Chantlers buildings canot work out occ. This one has got my brain really going mad WHERE ARE THEY will search through Pendleton district around where they were in 1871 and see if I find them bit slow at mo will do later Zoe


Zoe Report 26 Mar 2006 12:50

Bernard Your sister has a very nice way of putting things..:0) 1871 Now on this census he is down as born in 1865 James C Hartley abt 1871 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Jemima Hartley abt 1867 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Daughter Lawkland Yorkshire John Hartley abt 1831 Bolton, Lancashire, England Head Lawkland Yorkshire John Hartley abt 1865 Clapham, Yorkshire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Sarah Hartley abt 1841 Tatham, Lancashire, England Wife Lawkland Yorkshire Sarah J Hartley abt 1868 Lingthwaite, Yorkshire, England Daughter Lawkland Yorkshire Thomas Hartley abt 1859 Bolton, Lancashire, England Son Lawkland Yorkshire Do you know for sure that John was still alive? I cant see him in later census have you checked in deaths? Zoe


Raymond Report 26 Mar 2006 11:48

Hi Zoe Elizabeth Osborne b about 1845/1849 Birkenhead changes her age also can not find her Marriage to John Henderson b 1845 Glasgow Scotland in 1871 they are in acrefair Ruabon Nr wrexham with 2 children well I know off 2 but someone gave ma a copy and Elizabeth Ann Henderson b 7 Jul 1870 was not on it but I have her marriage 1890 her brother on 1871 Robert John Henderson 8 Mar 1868 by 1881 they were in Liverpool just hope you can help? I have both birth cert for 1868 and 1870 Cheers and Thank You Ann Robert John Henderson bAcrefair Ruabon 8 mar 1868 father John Henderson mother elizabeth Henderson nee osborne Elizabeth Ann Henderson b Acrefair Ruabon 7 Jul 1870 same info on 1871 John Henderson b Scotland 1845 wife Elizabeth Henderson b 1845 Birkenhead Robert John Henderson b 1868 Acrefair Ruabon Wrexham thanks Ann


Malcolm Report 26 Mar 2006 05:15

Hi Zoe, Henry only shows up on two of the Census 1891 and 1901 both show his birthplace as Lincolnshire. I may have found Henrys death record 1918 reg. District Kings Norton. This is the reg. District for Smethwick! The only problem is that it shows his age as 75 instead of 69-70. Do you think it’s worthwhile ordering the certificate? Still no luck connecting Nellie Bullard/Sullivan to James Knott Regards Malcolm


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:35

Guys My PC is going ultra slow will catch up with requests later or tomorrow Zo


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:34

Gary Do you have the marriage cert? ~ if so what were the addresses and ages of the couple and what was Sophus' job. Now their first childs birth cert do you have it ~ if so what address was he born at? Do you have the death cert? ~ if so what was the address and who was the informant?


Christine Report 25 Mar 2006 23:21

ok 1901 ces 1900 emily williams 1 1899 walter williams 2 1896 frank williams 5 1894 lily williams 7 1892 vernon williams 9 1887 arthur williams 14 1889 horold williams 12 1864 walter williams 37 1867 lily williams 34 folio 144 re 13 \3666 could you find out when walter and lily where married please thank you so much chris


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 23:14

Ben Hi again Now a marriage cert is god for research in the aspect you will get the bride & grooms fathers names and occupations, their ages occupations all certs are good to have~as sometimes they have little things that help you out on them! ie witnesses etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now I think this is George's birth ref but name mistranscribed on register Name: George Edward Nicholds Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Chesterton County: Cambridgeshire Volume: 14 Page: 48 NOW YOU CAN PUT A CHECKING POINT OF FATHERS NAME TO CLARIFY WHETHER HE'S YOURS OR NOT JUST PUT HIS FATHER AS ABRAHAM Chesterton Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Cherry Hinton; Chesterton; Fulbourn; Great Shelford; Willingham. GRO volumes : XIV (1837-51); 3b (1852-1930). Barton, Cambridge Without, Cherry Hinton, Chesterton, Childerley, Comberton, Coton, Cottenham, Fen Ditton, Dry Drayton, Fulbourn, Girton, Grantchester, Great Shelford, Great Wilbraham, Harlton, Harston, Haslingfield, Hauxton, Histon, Horningsea, Impington, Landbeach, Little Shelford, Little Wilbraham, Long Stanton, Madingley, Milton, Newton, Stapleford, Oakington, Rampton, Stow cum Quy, Teversham, Trumpington, **Waterbeach**, Westwick, Willingham. WATERBEACH IS UNDER CHESTERTON DISTRICT ZOE


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 22:37

Malcolm Looking at the Royston one that is in the Cambridge area google Genuki and you will be able to find out about the different area's.. Now have you tried tracing Henry back through the censuses to see if his birthplace is consistant? Zoe


Jean Report 25 Mar 2006 22:15

Hi Zoe, I am looking for some elusive relatives! Alfred Munn Furby and his wife Alice, cannot find them in 1881, 1891 and 1901. here they are in 1871. Viewing 1-5 of 5 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Alfred Munn Furby abt 1849 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Son St Mary Newington London Alice Winkworth Furby abt 1850 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter-in-law St Mary Newington London John Furby abt 1813 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Head St Mary Newington London Mary Ann Furby abt 1812 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife St Mary Newington London Mary Elizabeth Furby abt 1853 Bridlington, Yorkshire, England Daughter St Mary Newington London Any help you can offer would be much appreciated. Thank you, Jean

Katie Hartlepool

Katie Hartlepool Report 25 Mar 2006 21:14

I have found a marriage of Alison Simpson Mitchell to Sophus Peter Bahnsen 1891 Hartlepool, Alison was still a mitchell at the time of the census but I can't find Sophus. I cant find them on the 1901 census either but they had a son Francis who was born in Hartlepool in 1892 and died there in 1904?


Claire Report 25 Mar 2006 21:12

Hi Zoe!... Claire again! Wow!... You've found loads of info, a lot of it makes sense. I guess it's a matter of piecing it together bit by bit. Thanks so much, I really appreciate the time & effort you've put into it. You sure you don't mind helping me with this? I've got the details from the 1841 census: The info I've been given is: 1841 Census: Barton upon Irwell & Salford. Thomas Kennedy age 45 Elizabeth Kennedy age 30 Sarah Kennedy age 8 Mary Kennedy age 7 Ellen Kennedy age 6 They were living on North Road, Pendleton, Salford. Says Thomas was a shop keeper & born out of the country. Don't know if this info will help you. It looks a good possibility! No mention of Singletons or Hadfields/ Hatfields though. What do you think? Thanks, Claire


Bernard Report 25 Mar 2006 21:04

Hello Zoe, Thanks for the reply - will have to look at church records, hoping that she was baptised. As my sister would say, 'Was she born the wrong side of the blanket?' Could you please help in finding John Hartley, born Clapham, Yorks. W.R., about 1861. 1881 census, living with his brother Thomas at Rathmell, Yorks w.r., unmarried. We traced Thomas through all the remaining censuses, but John appears to have vanished. Regards, Kath


Malcolm Report 25 Mar 2006 20:05

Hi Zoe, Henry Bullard was 53 and Widower in 1903, Nellie was 23 a Spinster (Yes 23) from the marriage certificate. According to the 1901 Census Henry Bullard was a Boarder living with the Sullivan family in Smethwick. His DOB is given as Abt.1848 and Birthplace as Skellingthorpe, Lincolnshire. I have checked Ancestry BMDs (Beta) form 1847-1852 for Henrys birth. I found three in districts, Royston, Sculcoats?, and Lambeth. I’m not sure if any of these are close to Skellingthorpe, Lincolnshire. I did find a death on Free BMDs that may match (Birth 1849 Death 1908) but it was in Royston district. Regards Malcolm


Breezy Report 25 Mar 2006 19:47

Hi Zoe, Trying to find the birth date of George Edward Nichols/Nicholls, to order a cert, Waterbeach Prs show only BAP date, 16 Nov 1845, and Camdex don't show him at all. His parents were Abraham & Sarah Nichols, and the whole family is together in the 1851 cencus, details of which you sent me through the week. Abraham Nichols & Sarah Coxall were married, 26/05/1844, at Waterbeach, question, would a marriage cert be as useful for my records as the birth cert for GG/Gdad George Edward Nichols?


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 19:25

Bernard Ok this is them in 1861 Head is a farmer of 142 acres Ellen Hesleden abt 1852 Horton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Grace Hesleden abt 1850 Horton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Jane Hesleden abt 1810 Giggleswick, Yorkshire, England Wife Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Jane Hesleden abt 1858 Kettlewell, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Matthew Hesleden abt 1808 Burnsall, Yorkshire, England Head Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Thomas Hesleden abt 1846 Drnclife, Yorkshire, England Son Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1851 Farmer of 88 acres Matthew Heselden abt 1808 Kilnsey, Yorkshire, England Head Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Frances Hesleden abt 1844 Arncliffe, Yorkshire, England Son Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Grace Hesleden abt 1850 Horton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire James Hesleden abt 1842 Arncliffe, Yorkshire, England Son Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Jane Hesleden abt 1811 Giggleswick, Yorkshire, England Wife Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Mary Jane Hesleden abt 1848 Horton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Rebecca Hesleden abt 1839 Arncliffe, Yorkshire, England Daughter Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Thomas Hesleden abt 1846 Arncliffe, Yorkshire, England Son Horton in Ribblesdale Yorkshire Ok couple more children on this ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IGI REBECCA HESLEDEN Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Christening: 09 DEC 1838 Arncliffe, Yorkshire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: MATTHEW HESLEDEN Mother: JANE There is also a James born 1841 have a look on IGI And do you have the 1841 census of this family as there maybe more children then at least if you have the names of all their children you are closer to knowing who were her parents.. James from the 1851 is a possibility that's presuming it was one of the sons and not a unwed daughter. Cannot see a birth record for her I suppose she never got married as a marriage cert may have given fathers name! Maybe you could get in touch with the parish for the area she was born and see if they have any records of her. Hope this is of some help Zoe