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Bernard Report 25 Mar 2006 19:03

Hello Zoe, I have a member of my ancestry who I cannot place. She is Jane Heselton (various spellings) born about 1858. She was living with her grandparents, Matthew and Jane Heselton at Horton in Ribblesdale, born Kettlewell, Yorks, W.R. in 1861 and still with them in 1871. By 1881 she was living at Slatenber, Ingleton, Yorks W.R., a servant with her uncle, Thomas Heselton and his wife. The mystery is who were her parents/parent? In 1881 her place of birth was given as Horton in Ribblesdale (her grandparents were living there). Regards, Kath.


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 19:02

Christine which censuses do you have this family on, if you have folio numbers or where they are living that will help? For some reason don't seem to see any of them. When and where did your granddad get married? Zoe


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 17:40

Malcolm Where have you looked? H ave you searched through the GRO Marriage & death records for that period. What was Henry Bullards age on the marriage cert? Zoe


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 17:29

Claire I did find this on IGI Ellen Kenedy Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Pendlebury Christening: 19 JUL 1835 Eccles, Lancashire, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parents: Father: Thomas Kenedy Mother: Elizabeth Kenedy This a a transcribed parish record NOT SUBMITTED on IGI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now maybe Elizabeth Singleton is Elizabeth Kenedy Ellen's mother but remarried. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now here is where the Hadfield comes in SARAH HADFIELD KENNEDY Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Christening: 24 MAR 1833 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS KENNEDY Mother: ELIZABETH Transcribed from parish records. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Sarah's maiden name maybe Hadfield/Hatfield ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mary Hatfields birth Mary Hatfield Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 13 MAY 1804 Eccles, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Joseph Hatfield Mother: Alice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What happen to Thomas Kennedy? He may have died need to narrow down with 1841 census Who was John Singleton? This could have been Sarah's brother or maybe stepfather or similar Was Elizabeth Singleton Ellens mother? It seems so from the census and it seems Sarah H is her sister Who is Mary Hadfield.? Maybe this is Elizabeth Singleton c1813 sister! Is Sarah Ellens sister? It does seem like they have the same parents names according to the IGI and are always living close. **************I am Not saying the answers that I gave are correct some research needs to be put in to clarify or dismiss but my answers seem logical based on the info given**************** I think what you need to ask for is a 1841 lookup for Ellen Kennedy b 1835 +/-2 and see if you get a father by the name of Thomas and mother Elizabeth. Try that and get back to me with the details then I will try and find them on following censuses..I don't have access to 1841 or I would have done it Good luck please keep me informed Zoe


Christine Report 25 Mar 2006 16:53

Hi Zoe Sorry I know that 1891 entry is not my family as the Sarah has a second initial and I know my Sarah did not have another name. I will try and see if I can get electorial register for when she got married. Thanks for trying Regards Christine


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 16:37

Christine T Could you please post the family in the 1881/1891 census for me with places and years of birth Many thanks Zoe


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 16:33

Christiine This looks like the family from 1901 in 1891 seem to change birth years and places.. Allice Jeffery abt 1885 Exeter, Devon, England Daughter South Brent Devon Sarah W Jeffery abt 1890 Bole, Devon, England Daughter South Brent Devon Susan Jeffery abt 1865 Brixham, Devon, England Wife South Brent Devon Thomas Jeffery abt 1863 Somerset, England Head South Brent Devon William Jeffery abt 1821 Bole, Devon, England Father South Brent Devon William Jeffery abt 1888 Tavistock, Devon, England Son South Brent Devon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Address in 1901 was 15 hawthorne Grove Thomas was a Extension ?Harry? <<have no idea what that is. He may not have been a dock forman in 1901 as she did get married 10 years later so he may have changed jobs. I have also looked for their other childrens births and don't seem to be able to find them!!! I really don't know what to suggest what was the address on the 1st marriage cert for where she lived maybe if they are available you could get a Electoral roll lookup for that address >don't know if any are around for that time but it may help if there is. Zoe


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 16:05

Kate Have looked and cannot seem to find her or her father Sorry! Zoe


Zoe Report 25 Mar 2006 16:04

Elaine So I presume that's solved then? Zoe


Malcolm Report 25 Mar 2006 07:14

Hi Zoe, My Grandaunt, Nellie Sullivan Married Henry Bullard on 13 Dec 1903 in Smethwick. The informant at my Great-Grandmother’s death (Sarah Sullivan) on 25 March 1925 was Nellie Knott (daughter) place of death was 94 Ethel Street Smethwick. In 1924 James Knott, Nellie Knott and James Charles Knott were living at 94 Ethel Street Smethwick. In 1925 only James Charles Knott was living there. I haven’t been able to find a death for Henry Bullard or a marriage for Nellie Bullard/Sullivan to Charles Knott between1903 and 1925, can you help? Thanks Malcolm


Claire Report 25 Mar 2006 00:30

Hi Zoe!.... Where shall I start?!?... This could get confusing, but I'll do my best to make it as straight forward & simple as possible! I'm looking for the family of Ellen Kennedy who was born abt 1839 according to her marriage certificate, which says she was 26 when she married Arthur Fitzroy Thomposon in Sept 1865. However on the 1871 census says she was born abt 1837. 1881 & 1991 census it says born abt 1835. Also according to death records on line she died Dec quarter 1896 at the age of 61 making her born 1835.... Can marriage certificates be wrong? I'm yet to find any birth records on line so therefore unable to obtain cert. 1871 cenus: Ellen (Kennedy) Thompson 1837 born Pendleton, Lancashire Arthur Fitzroy Thompson 1844 Eccles, Lancashire Frederick Fitzroy Thompson 1866 Pendleton, Lancs Thomas Singleton Thompson 1869 ' ' Address: Ballon Road, Pendleton, Lancashire 1881 census: Ellen Thompson 1835 born Irlam O'th 'Height, Lancs Arthur Fitzroy ' 1844 Eccles, Lancashire Frederick ' ' 1867 Irlam O'th 'Height, Lancs Mary Elizabeth ' 1873 Bury, Lancashire Harry Fitzroy ' 1875 ' ' Addredd: 19 Moorgate & 2 Peter Street (Brunswick Hotel) Bury, Lancashire 1891 census: As above, but address: 29 Poulton Road, Carleton, Lancashire. (I have yet to find Ellen Kennedy (Thompson) before her marriage to Arthur on earlier census') However, here's where it gets complicated!!! On Marriage cert says her fathers name is Thomas Kennedy, can't make out his occupation. The wittness' on cert were Sarah Kennedy & John Singleton. : NOTE: In 1971 census There was a son named Thomas Singleton Thompson born 1969. I guess he must have died somewhere between the 71 & 81 census as there is no further mention of him. Also, Sarah Kennedy I've found a link. I'm guessing Ellens sister. On 1871 Census I found Sarah H Kennedy living as a daughter born abt 1833, Pendleton. Living 301 Ballon Road, Pendleton. (Next door to Ellen & Arthur Thompson) It looks like she's single or unknown & she's a dress Maker. Head of the house & I presume Sarahs mother is Elizabeth Singleton but transcribed as Lingleton, says she's a widow born abt 1813 Eccles, Lancs. She was a grocer & a publician. Also, living there is Cavannah S Kennedy - Granddaughter, single or unknown born abt 1851 in London, and she's a dress maker. In 1881 I found Sarah Hadfield but transcribed as Hatfield Kennedy born 1832 Irlam O'th 'Height. She's the Head, marriage unknown. She's a retired Grocer. She's living with a Mary Hadfield (Hatfield) age 76 abt 1805. born Eccles, Lancs. Says she's a boarder. Marriage unknown & she's a retired schoolmistress. Address 17 Cateaton St. Bury, Lancs 1891 i found Sarah Kennedy (this time transcribed as Kannady) living at 25 Poulton Road, a few doors away from Ellen & Arthur. all other details are same as above. & living with Mary Hadfield In 1901 Sarah was living with Frederick Fitzroy Thompson, Ellen & Arthurs oldest son. It says she is his Aunt. I've not managed to find them in earlier census. How does the Singleton & the Hadfield come into it? What happen to Thomas Kennedy? Who was John Singleton? Was Elizabeth Singleton Ellens mother? Who is Mary Hadfield.? Is Sarah Ellens sister? It's driving me crazy!!!! Can you help??? Any advice of where to go next would be great! Thanks very much, Claire


Christine Report 25 Mar 2006 00:22

i need help with this found my gran and g gran and most of the family but the in 1901 when the last child is born my g gran vanishs and that end up living all over the place hope u can help lily williams 1867 walter 1864 arthur 1887 harold 1889 lily 1884 vernon 1892 walter 1891 walter ends up in a institution on 5th ap 1891 and lily 1867 vanishs


Christine Report 24 Mar 2006 22:02

Hi Zoe Here's hoping you can help with this I will be eternally grateful if you can. It is my Grandmother Sarah Jeffery I have very little information but here goes. I have her 2 marriage certificates the first she married William Albert Anstead in Exeter on 4th February 1911. On this she was 22 years old which makes it born c1889. Her second marriage was to my Grandfather William Charles Summerfield in East Stonehouse, Plymouth Devon on 26th December 1916. On this she was 25 years old which makes her born c 1891. I also have her death certificate which is dated 24th February 1966, age on this is 78 years wich makes her birth c 1888. By the Wedding certificates her Father's name was Thomas Jeffery and his occupation was Forman in Dockyard. I cannot find her on Birth on BMD or on any census other than possibly 1901. I cannot find her father on BMD either. Someone got me an entry on Devon 1901 census which could possibly be her family. The only thing I am not to sure about on it is that the Head is down as Thomas W. Jeffery. I have also got the same 1901 census entry from Ancestry and on there the Wifes Birthplace is different. The entries are: Thomas W Jeffery Head b c1867 Bridport Gloucestershire (Dorset) Sarah Jeffery Wife b c1867 Ilfracombe Devon [Ancestry: Exeter Devon] Alice Jeffery Dau b c1884 Exeter Devon Mary Jeffery Dau b c1900 Stonehouse Devon Nellie Jeffery Dau b c1890 Exeter Devon Sarah Jeffery Dau b c1887 Ilfracombe Devon Susan Jeffery Dau b c1893 Bristol Somerset Thomas Jeffery Son b c1896 Plymouth Devon William Jeffery Son b c1886 Tavistock Devon William Jeffery Father b c1822 Bridport The only thing I know for definate is that she had a brother named Tom. I am hope you can help as it has got to be a very thick brick wall. Regards Christine


Zoe Report 24 Mar 2006 18:12

Kate Who did she marry in 1858 and do you have her on the 1861 census as that may help as to where she says she's born! Zoe


Karen Report 23 Mar 2006 20:18

Hi Zoe, yes this is him in 1881, no i havent got him in any other census regards Karen


Zoe Report 23 Mar 2006 18:14

Karen You cannot always accept census ages as correct sometimes they can differ widely Is this him in the 1881 census Head is a Bricklayers Foreman Adlah Harris abt 1878 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Daniel H. Harris abt 1873 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales David R. Harris abt 1863 Sketty, Glamorgan, Wales Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Dinah Harris abt 1845 Sketty, Glamorgan, Wales Wife 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Edith M. Harris abt 1880 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Ernest Q. Harris abt 1881 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Jessie Harris abt 1868 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales John E. Harris abt 1866 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Mary S. Harris abt 1875 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales William Harris abt 1841 Loughar, Glamorgan, Wales Head 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales William S. Harris abt 1870 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son 5 Moon St, Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Do you have him in the 1891 census as cannot seem to see them in 1891 or 1901 Zoe


Scrummy Report 23 Mar 2006 13:38

Zoe WARREN. Many thanks for that, no wonder I couldnt find them !!!brenda


Karen Report 23 Mar 2006 08:19

Hi Zoe, could you lookup on the 1901 census a william Harris born Loughor, Glamorgan abt 1841 plz, would like to know who he is living with and if his dob is right as there is a bit of confusion over it thanks Karen


Zoe Report 23 Mar 2006 08:15

Anne Have checked all Goowin's born 1858 +/- 2 born Leicestershire in the 1861 no sign of him sorry..Also tried 1871 no joy. Sorry can't be any help but I looked and looked and couldn't see him, he may not have been born in Leicestershire but I did check all Francis' no father of same name.. Zoe


Anne Report 22 Mar 2006 23:16

Hi Zoe Re: Francis Goodwins I got the marriage certificate from the records office by photocopying it from the church records. His fathers occupation is very difficult to make out but its something to do with shoe manufacturing. Francis junior was a groom. From the 3 censuses I already found him on Francis and his wife Lois lived at 3 different addresses. Plus theaddress on his marriage certificate was some sort of boarding house so no luck there. From what I have learned from the family, her family was against the marriage and refused to have anything to do with him. On the marriage certificate her father is listed as still living but I know he died in 1866 so was Francis(father) still alive or had he died too. Until I find out more about the Francis' I am at a brick wall Anne